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Kyrmse, since you're the resident Portuguese speaker, any and all input you have regarding Portugal/the Azores will be appreciated. BoArthur

For whatever it is worth, here is a list of the Kings *here* of Portugal. I strongly suspect a few of them must change because of the different history of Iberia:

House of Burgundy
1143-1185 Afonso I (Afonso Henriques)
1185-1211 Sancho I
1211-1223 Afonso II
1223-1247 Sancho II
1247-1279 Afonso III
1279-1325 Denis I
1325-1357 Afonso IV
1357-1367 Peter I
1367-1383 Ferdinand I

House of Aviz 1385-1433 John I
1433-1438 Edward I
1438-1481 Afonso V
1481-1495 John II
1495-1521 Manuel I
1521-1557 John III
1557-1578 Sebastian I
1578-1580 Cardinal-King Henry I
1580-1580 Anthony I

House of Habsburg or Philippine (Personal union with Spain)
1580-1598 Philip I /Philip II of Spain
1598-1621 Philip II /Philip III of Spain
1621-1640 Philip III /Philip IV of Spain
(Methinks the above in particular would probably need some kind of change maybe?)

House of Braganza
1640-1656 John IV (Restoration of Independence)
1656-1667 Afonso VI
1667-1706 Peter II
1706-1750 John V
1750-1777 Joseph I
1777-1816 Mary I
1816-1826 John VI
1826-1826 Peter IV /Peter I of Brazil
1826-1828 Mary II
1828-1834 Michael I
1834-1853 Mary II

House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha
1853-1861 Peter V
1861-1889 Louis I
1889-1908 Charles I
1908-1910 Manuel II (October 5, 1910 - Republic declared)

I know next-to-nothing about Portugese history, but I wonder if in keeping with the "feel" of IB the monarchy might have been restored following the First Great War or maybe the Second? Zahir 09:08, 17 October 2005 (PDT)

Changes that would necessarily have to be made to the above list:
  • Not Braganza, but Bragança
  • 1777-1807: Maria I (to make way for Pedro III, as mentioned at the Lusoamerican Union article)
  • 1807-1809: Pedro III (imprisoneded by Napoleon)
  • 1809-1814: José II (Bonaparte)
  • 1814-1816: Pedro III (reinstated after Napoleon's defeat)
  • 1816-1826: João VI (OK; not a correction)
  • 1826-1826: Pedro IV (who of course was not the "returned" Pedro I, first emperor of Brasil)

I personally would prefer names in Portuguese. More maybe later. Kyrmse 06:47, 19 October 2005 (PDT)

Aha. I suspected some changes would be needed. And I got the list from the internet, using the forms there. Not knowing Portuguese, I an not competent to change their form. Zahir 06:52, 19 October 2005 (PDT)
As a proposal, I added a ruler list, having reinstated the monarchy by popular acclaim as of 25 November 1953, but have left the case of the Philippine Dynasty unresolved. Kyrmse 09:55, 19 October 2005 (PDT)


Should the currency by peça, rather than peca? Nik 20:18, 9 November 2005 (PST)

It should indeed! Kyrmse 04:52, 10 November 2005 (PST)

Habsburg Rule

How would one manage a Habsburg rule of Portugal *there*? --Sikulu 19 December 2005, 14:43 (GMT)

Yeah, don't you think we mìght need to replace the Hapsburg kings? I mean, if I think hard enough, I can see the Hapsburgs doing a wraparound of Castile and getting Aragon and Portugal in personal union, but Castile isn't exactly the weakest political power (probably even stronger, since I have a feeling that *there* it allied with England instead of France/Austria). Of course, maybe that was during the time when the French and Austrians were all-powerful military forces in Europe and England was a tiny insignificant island where it rained a lot. (To say nothing of pathetic little Cambria) Juan Martin Velez Linares 19:21, 14 October 2015 (CDT)


Did Portugal suffer through the dictatorship *there*? Or was the republican government democratic, if not rather corrupt, throughout? Juan Martin Velez Linares 18:22, 6 September 2015 (CDT)

Ronald Kyrmse is on the Facebook group. I'd route your questions to him there, else they're not likely to be answered. BoArthur 19:12, 14 October 2015 (PDT)
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