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Any ideas on the flag? Does this place have more-or-less the same history as our Pennsyvania? BTW, here are the arms of the Penn Family:
Penn Arms
Zahir 13:35, 21 December 2005 (PST)

I suspect the general scope of PA's history and ethnic groups is largely the same. As for PA's flag, part of me really wishes that Ter Mair would be the only province whose flag contains the arms of its founding / chief family (like the situation with *here*'s Maryland flag) -- but that may not be possible. Elemtilas 10:29, 22 December 2005 (PST)

There are three flag proposals currently up for discussion:

Comments? Zahir 09:43, 6 January 2006 (PST) Elemtilas 16:19, 21 January 2006 (PST)

Personnaly I think the 3rd one is the best. If you go with one containing the lions in canton, I don't think you need to add the circles or the arms, it make them look very busy and the presence of the gold cross itself makes it distinctive enough.
Incidently, what is that logo ? (and whats and "hexe" ?) --Marc Pasquin 18:29, 21 January 2006 (PST)
I don't know anything about the seal, but I also think #3 is the best.
A "hexe" is something you see on every barn in SE Pennsylvaania, it seems. They're a sort of good luck sign. May be a kind of magic, or may be not. They're colourful star or flower patterns painted on a white circle. You also find them on dishes and tourist souvenirs. They come in many many designs, but I liked the distelfink (gold finch) best, as it seems to be pretty common. Elemtilas 22:02, 21 January 2006 (PST)

I'm all for putting this up to a vote. Who likes which flag? Zahir 11:59, 11 March 2006 (PST)

As Quentin kindly reminds us with his flag disign, I think we should come up with one that shows the joint Kemr-England foundation of the Colony. Otherwise, I'm going for number 1. --Sikulu 04:08, 13 March 2006 (PST)
Flag #4 certainly makes sense. However, as we already have so many flags of (almost) the same design, I find it a little boring. My personal favourite is #3. —IJzeren Jan Uszkiełtu? 05:12, 13 March 2006 (PST)
Maybe we could get #3, but make the left-hand cantons green, to represent Kemr. Any thoughts. --Sikulu 05:16, 13 March 2006 (PST)
I would like to get away from the oh so common "flags divided into four with the canton showing some sort of coat of arms" that is prevalent, so I prefer flag 3. The design is nice and neat, and the addition of the hexe makes it unique to Pennsylvaania. I think the others are too busy except for #3 and Sikulu's version, but i'm not sure I like the canton in green. Doobieous 10:22, 13 March 2006 (PST)
Agreed. I think #3 is a véry nice flag, and the green canton doesn't really make it look better. —IJzeren Jan Uszkiełtu? 14:00, 13 March 2006 (PST)
By trying to add a little something for every groups you often end up with something that look like too busy and represent nothing specific. I still prefer #3. --Marc Pasquin 15:37, 13 March 2006 (PST)
I think that 3 is the most simple, effective, and striking design. I think that its best to represent everyone with one design than represent everyone with several, and I think the hexe accomplishes that goal. Doobieous 16:52, 13 March 2006 (PST)
I rather like #3 as well. Zahir 18:29, 13 March 2006 (PST)

Most of the votes are for Flag No. 3 -- I think this one can be considered official. Elemtilas 16:23, 22 March 2006 (PST)

I second that. Zahir 08:27, 23 March 2006 (PST)


Why is Pennsylvaania spelt with two A's? Sylvania is a latin word, meaning forrest. Why the word should be diferent *there*, I don't know, unless its a Brithenic spelling. --Sikulu 6 Jan 2006, 14:04 (GMT)

Not sure why, but i'm pretty sure it's spelled that way because it's Pennsylvaanisch, a.k.a. Pennsylvania D[e]ut[s]ch. -- Steg Boroparkpyro 08:57, 6 January 2006 (PST)
"Pennsilfaanisch Deitsch" in the local language; "Pennsylvaania" is the English/Brithenig form. See <>. Elemtilas 09:25, 6 January 2006 (PST)
May I just say that I love the Retconning that goes on in IB? BoArthur 17:09, 21 January 2006 (PST)
Heh heh heh. Me, too! Zahir 18:53, 21 January 2006 (PST)
Hopefully we don't suffer from "Chuck Cunningham Syndrome"! Elemtilas 22:03, 21 January 2006 (PST)


Should Kemrese also be official? --Quentin 12:59, 30 September 2006 (PDT)

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