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Just bought a book last night. The Balkans: From Constantinople to Communism by Dennis P. Hupchick. I have hopes it will prove useful. Zahir 22:00, 19 November 2005 (PST)



One minor point, David. You list "Craiova" as Oltenia's capital. But according to my own map of Eastern Europe (you can see it here), the actual capital of Oltenia is Timişoara. I'm sure sure, but I thínk that was based on one of Ferko's maps of the Balkans. Did you have a particular reason for picking Craiova? --IJzeren Jan 01:33, 21 November 2005 (PST)

I just chose it as Oltenia's largest city *here*. I'll happily make the change. Zahir 05:46, 21 November 2005 (PST)
Apparently not. Now that I've looked a bit more into *there*'s vs. *here*'s Oltenia, it seems that Craiova is not even in Oltenia, but in Muntenia! Don't ask me about Ferko's reasoning for drawing the borders the way he did, and naming the countries the way he did, though. --IJzeren Jan 06:07, 21 November 2005 (PST)
Well, it seems he was trying to "replace" Wallachia and Transylvania with two different countries, using names of Romanian provinces that do indeed exist. Any chance of getting those maps?
I've changed the capital, and the name of the largest city, as well as fiddling with Oltenia's history vis-a-vis the end of the SNOR, and changed the name of the Pretender to Simion. Zahir 06:33, 21 November 2005 (PST)
As for the maps, I've created a page, Balkans, linking to Ferko's maps of the region.
As for the rest: it seems like vacant thrones were in fashion in snorist Eastern Europe! ;) --IJzeren Jan 06:57, 21 November 2005 (PST)
Thankee for the maps. As for the other--are you suggesting the rabidly pro-monarchy SNOR-ists might have been..GASP...hypocrites???? Zahir 07:05, 21 November 2005 (PST)
Eh? Eeeeh? Did you say that... did you suggest... no, I can't believe it... NO one would ever even dare to say something like that aloud... or even to whisper it... Even for the bare thought people were siberised for 20 years, you know that, don't you? --IJzeren Jan 22:17, 21 November 2005 (PST)
Nonsense! Surely it was just coincidence that there were so many vacant thrones! Nik 22:07, 21 November 2005 (PST)
All Western influence of course! The good ones had been killed, the bad ones were all playing jetset with their English and Kemrese counterparts! O tempora o mores... --IJzeren Jan 22:17, 21 November 2005 (PST)

Ferko: Another detail: Romanian, Hungarian and Serbian are all three official languages.

Ferko, if you're reading this: please have a look at Image talk:Europe1941.jpg#Danubian Confederation. --IJzeren Jan 03:06, 29 November 2005 (PST)

RoMex's addition

Hey RoMex, I moved your cities down to the Geography section because we don't want the infoboxes to get out of control, but we definitely want to keep the information you've posted. Thanks! BoArthur

So, it is better in general I add information to the sections down the article than in the infobox? I'm just all new to this so I don't know so well how it works. I have however already become so fascinated by the world of Ill Bethisad! It's like discovering the world again! By the way, neither Slatina nor Calafat are within the border of Oltenia *there* (as I have understood it) unlike the Oltenia *here* that includes them. The list of towns in the infobox looks like the mayor towns of Oltenia *here*. --RoMex 13:48, 3 December 2005 (PST)
Romex, I know exactly how you feel! And welcome to IB btw! Zahir 14:56, 3 December 2005 (PST)
All your corrections are indeed correct, as far as I can see. Welcome, RoMex, and thank you for helping. Would you care to pay a visit to Lla Dafern and tell us a little about yourself? Are you just passing by, or would you like to become a contributor to the project. If so, please tell us what your ideas are! --IJzeren Jan 16:14, 3 December 2005 (PST)
Thank you! I have now made a visit to Lla Dafern and posted a short introduction of myself there. I guess I am interested in becoming a contributor to this exitig project! RoMex 06:53, 5 December 2005 (PST)

Administrative Divisions

I added some of the Hungarian and Serbian names; I'll add the rest after work today. Dalmatinac

Excellent! Thank you for that! RoMex
Ditto! Zahir 07:45, 6 December 2005 (PST)


May I suggest that we make the map a Thumbnail that visitors may click to view, rather than a page spanning graphic? I think it looks much more neat and tidy that way. (And yes, It's my Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder coming out. ;) BoArthur

600px is indeed a little inconvient, because it produces a big image ánd barely readable text at the same time. So I suggest that you éither make a thumbnail, like Dan says, ór you display the image in its original size.
In other words, like this:
A map of Oltenia showing its administrative division and most important towns

Or, like this (you can omit the "framed" part if you like; in any case, even in this format it still fits on my screen):
A map of Oltenia showing its administrative division and most important towns

--IJzeren Jan 12:35, 9 December 2005 (PST)
I'd suggest going with the thumbnail, because you can always click on it for the full-sized map Nik 12:37, 9 December 2005 (PST)
A map of Oltenia showing its administrative division and most important towns
A map of Oltenia showing its administrative division and most important towns
Yeah, I agree that would look best. I just don't know how much experience RoMex has with wiki syntax. Anyway, there are thumbnails and thumbnails. You can always adjust the size. In the example above I used 350px, but default would be 180px (I think), and you can as well change it to 75px or 400px or anything else. --IJzeren Jan 12:45, 9 December 2005 (PST)
I like the one on the left, here. I think that one's the best fit. Thanks, guys. BoArthur
Thanks! It looks nice like this! RoMex 15:17, 9 December 2005 (PST)

Hydropower dams

One thing I have come to wonder about a bit when I have been making the maps is wheather the big hydropower dams that were built in Romania *here* during the communist times would actually exist *there*? The maps as they are now are actually showing these man made lakes, but maybe this is something that should be changed? Or...maybe it is possible after all to imagine such construction project to have occured also *there*?

Another thing I have not got entirely clear is the location of the border between Croatia and Serbia as I have seen it looking slightly different on different maps, for example the map of Eastern Europe compared to the map of the Balkans.

I'd say the dams are up to you, really. As for the borders with the former CSDS countries, please go by the map of the Balkans. Dalmatinac

Other Languages

For sure, I'd say minority languages include Rusyn, possibly German, possibly Slevanian (like Slovak *here*), maybe Bulgarian, maybe Ukrainian...

Government Countdown

Technically, it has been over thirty days, but I wanted to give folks another chance for feedback before I de-proposalize this.

Things to review

Please look at the map proposal on Zlatiborica's user page, as it affects the capital, and also, did you happen to look here when you were creating the pages, David? (Curiousity only on the latter). BoArthur 15:27, 20 July 2006 (PDT)

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