If any of you want some sort of idea as to what I imagine nu jass would sound like *there*, think of Beck's stuff off of Odelay (Where It's At in particular), shibuya-kei music, or trip hop/acid jazz *here*. That's kind of what I guess it ended up being. And yes, nu jazz is in fact a real genre *here* (and one I drew some inspiration from for this article), but rest assured that these two are horses of rather different colours! Juan Martin Velez Linares 16:25, 07 September 2015 (CDT)
Might I be able to deprop this? Juan Martin Velez Linares 22:01, 07 September 2015
After some mulling over this idea, I've decided I'm rather unhappy with it and want to scrap it in favour of a rather modified version of *here*'s hip-hop. Now, I know that this is not something that often happens in IB, which is why I'm going to offer up some reasons for why this should be allowed:
- The proposal is fairly inconsequential to IB as a whole--music is very much a niche field in this project, and changing this wouldn't really have many far-reaching repercussions.
- This page--and the idea--is almost entirely my work; I wouldn't really be erasing anyone else's ideas with this. The only person I might have to confer with would be M. Hicken, who is also the main person I want for consultation on re-starting the proposal.
- Hip-hop I think is doable *there*--it was derived from a combination of *here*'s jazz (obviously spelled with the earlier spelling "jass" *there*), funk and disco music, recitation/"talking blues" songs, and Jamaican influences. Now, most of these can more-or-less be recreated in IB--the main influence that worries me are the Jamaican influences. Now, I think ska and rocksteady (both of which already had toasting and DJing) can fulfill much of the influence of reggae, and after some researching I was able to find that the first dub songs were derived from rocksteady rather than reggae hits, so I think dub (and therefore the genres it influenced) could exist *there*, but I'm not so sure about dancehall--or even how much influence it actually had on hip hop. (DJ Kool Herc, considered the founder of rapping, says his vocal technique was influenced by funk, not reggae, for what it's worth.) If anyone has any information on this, then please, feel free to bring it forward to the table.
- Finally, I should note that the event which caused this, when my idea for introducing K-pop/rap star Psy into IB (after a mention of Gangnam--suffice to say I couldn't resist!) was changed to make him Jass star Jayson Park, was done without my consent--I didn't dispute it because of seniority, but to be honest I never really agreed with it, and I don't really see why Jayson Park couldn't be a hip-hop star (or at the very least jass-rap).
Questions? Comments? Rejections? Please, bring them forth. I've tacked the proposal tag back on until we/I can decide what to do with this, and also to signify that this topic is open to discussion. Juan Martin Velez Linares 12:32, 19/2/2016 (CST)
- You'll notice that he does rap -- that's what sprechstimme is *there* it's a bit different from here, because Ill Bethisad isn't just a slanted mirror of here. It has its own style, flavors, colors. I figured we'd take things their own direction, Corea being one of my areas of focus -- I liked your idea, which is why it remained, and why Psy is Jayson Park, *there*. He does his sprechstimme. His influence has been indelible in the Corean music scene, as articles I'm working on will soon show.
- Rather than scrap this article, which I think is lovely and adds well to the character of IB on the whole, I encourage you to pursue another article of hip-hop, just as you suggest, having it be an outgrowth of Jass and Nu jass. Rock as we know it *here* just doesn't exist *there* -- so derive how you will to find an analogue there -- but remember, it's not going to be exactly the same. BoArthur 11:05, 29 June 2016 (PDT)