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Just so you'll know--all I did was take the regular Wiki entry about New York City and changed a few words around, then added a couple of pictures. My presumption was that New Amsterdam is approximately (but of course not exactly) the same city *there* as NYC is *here*, at least in terms of this brief precis. I presume, for example, several of the neighborhoods are noticeably different. Zahir 01:10, 27 Sep 2005 (PDT)

A special interest group has formed on the Sescam list at Yahoo groups to discuss this, check out the message archives there for details. - AndrewSmith
The Sescam list? I'm familiar with the Conculture group. Are these the same? Zahir 01:19, 27 Sep 2005 (PDT)
It's an independent list dedicated to the discussion of Brithenig and British issues in Ill Bethisad. The ethos intends to re-create the Sessiwn, the original discussion group that founded IB. (Sescam is short for Sessio Cambriensis.) It is relatively low traffic and the New Castreleon SIG moved there as a discussion group. The message list is public, membership is subject to moderation so that it does not detract from the general IB discussion on Conculture. - AndrewSmith

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The Boroughs

Did we ever decide the names on Sescam? BoArthur Strike that...I've gleaned that and added it in...however, I don't think that our little think tank ever came to a consensus.

I thought we came to a consensus that NA is as similar to NYC as possible; specifically, Breuckelen *is* a borough. Steg

The City Flag

Right now it looks like the french flag with a black and white coat of arms slapped on it. Should we modify it? BoArthur

It is a variation of the NYC city flag. I'm very welcome to suggestions. Zahir 19:28, 27 Sep 2005 (PDT)
How about something based on the flag of amsterdam ?
http://www.fotw.net/flags/nl-amsdm.html
--Marc Pasquin 19:42, 27 Sep 2005 (PDT)

Some Possibilities...

Definitely the first one, if I may say so. I've lived in (Old) Amsterdam for many years, and I can assure you that the Amsterdammers are generally rather enamoured with their flag. You can see the three crosses everywhere. What counts, I think, is that they are vertically arranged, so #3, #5 and #6 are not an option for me (although I have to say that I like them). Of the remaining ones, #2 looks a bit too fascitoid in my fiew (which could be avoided by changing the black to blue), and #4 somehow works on my nerves. #1 is very nice, though, and I wouldn't object against a blue #2 either. --IJzeren Jan 01:02, 28 Sep 2005 (PDT)
I completely support the original, *here*-based flag. To me, there's nothing more New Amsterdammish than the NYC flag. It just screams "Dutch". It's probably the orange :-) . All those other flags, while they may be related to *here* Amsterdam's flag, just seem completely inappropriate to New Amsterdam. Steg
Perhaps a compromise?

City Size

Would New Amsterdam realy be as big as New York ? immigration pattern would not have been as concentrated as many ethnic groups would have been diverted to other provinces. There is also the economical aspect to consider.--Marc Pasquin 05:28, 27 Sep 2005 (PDT)

On the other hand, with so many more ethnicities, might not the numbers of immigrants be fairly right, but with a radically different mix? NYC is probably best known for its Jewish, Italian, Puerto Rican, Irish and African American subcultures (although there are a lot more than that). New Amsterdam perhaps has Coreatown instead of Chinatown? A Little Lithuania instead of Little Italy? Zahir 06:31, 27 Sep 2005 (PDT)
I too would also question the city's enormous size *there*. NYC owes its growth to its strategic location in the USA, just north of the Appalachians, that allowed goods to be traded more easily between the Midwest and the coast. However, in IB, there is no USA and the Midwest belongs to Louisianne. So I think the Big Easy, Nouvelle Orleans, would be far bigger than Nieuw Amsterdam. Of course, like any big city, New Amsterdam would definitely have an immigrant mix -- though different than NYC. Boreanesia 03:01, 28 Sep 2005 (PDT)
I agree with you and have reduced the size of New Amsterdam by a few million and its GNP by a couple of hundred billion. I've added a couple of other things, such as a cathedral and a theatre company I intend to do something with. The "Green Dome" is a joke I hope some folks here will appreciate. Zahir 07:54, 28 Sep 2005 (PDT)
What do you mean the Midwest belongs to Louisianne? The Midwest, all the way to the Missouri River, belongs to the NAL. Steg
Monsieur le Docteur, you have just earned honorary citizenship of Louisianne for your brazenly nationalistic sentiment. :) In truth, Les Plaines is no longer part of Louisianne, but only because of violence on the part of the NAL. (them and their venusian alien friends!). BoArthur
Steg is right. I should have said much of the Midwest still belongs to Louisianne. Unless I'm mistaken, the term "Midwest" is synonymous with the Louisianne Purchase. In fact, the territory west of the Missouri used to be part of Louisianne until 1828 — well after any plans would have been made to build the Erie Canal *here*. I still think New Amsterdam, though definitely big, would be smaller than *here*, and besides, there is still a part of Les Plaines west of the Missouri that belongs to Louisianne. Boreanesia 07:36, 29 Sep 2005 (PDT)
All land south and west of the Mizouri is Louisiannan. *bristlebristlebristle* :) BoArthur
Firstly, most of the official midwest *there* is in the NAL by now; Louisianne only covers a small fraction of it (LA now mostly covers the mountain states, and various parts of the unnoficial midwest (see here)). Secondly, there's nothing stoping a later Eire cannal going through NC and AQ, maybe built in the 1810s or 1820s. --Sikulu 05:19, 28 February 2006 (PST)
Well, the Erie Canal was built to increase access to the Great Lakes and the Northwest Territory, nót the Louisiana Purchase, and construction didn't start until 1817 *here*. I'd also argue that there's a greater need for the Erie Canal *there*, since Toronto is part of the NAL. In addition, New Amsterdam is also home to the global entertainment industry, something which almost certainly bumps up its economy and population. I say we should bring New Amsterdam back to its original population. If you must decrease the population and GNP, then break Breuckelen away from the city; the wiki is pretty ambivalent about it actually being part of NA proper anyway. The metro area, however, almost certainly resembles *here*, and I think it should be corrected to *here*'s statistics (barring Philadelphia/Delaware Valley maybe stealing some towns to the south). Juan Martin Velez Linares 15:18 13/9/2016 (EDT)

TMS Benedict Arnold

Was Arnold promoted to Minister of War there? There wasn't a war like *here*, so would that cabinet position have been made? BoArthur

Benedict Arnold was a general in the Continental Army *here* and was directly responsible for the victory at Saratoga. I'm assuming that as a much older man he was a member of the NAL's first cabinet. "Minister of War" as a title had precious little to do with there actually being a war in either reality. It had to do with being "Prepared for War." The US had a Secretary of War up until the 1950s when the Department's name was changed from "War" to "Defense." I'm assuming things *there* pretty much followed the same model. Zahir 18:04, 29 Sep 2005 (PDT)
For that matter, I believe it was established that most nations still have War Departments *there* Nik 20:02, 29 Sep 2005 (PDT)

JFK Areodrom

I have a photo proposal for JFK Areodrom.
JFK areodrom.jpg

Wow! I like it. --Sikulu 02:57, 28 February 2006 (PST)

So do I! Zahir 04:17, 28 February 2006 (PST)
I guess in the airships however the cabin is under airship itself, while the whole "baloon" is full of gas... Abdul-aziz 05:51, 28 February 2006 (PST)
I have no idea I found this picture and remake the flag, the orginal title of this photo is "Areocraft hotel", I think that only a part of "ballon" contein a gass (as it is in *here* airships where there is plenty of free space in "balon" - balons inside the balon). And it seems thtat there are jet engines on the botton. Follow by white rabbit 06:41, 28 February 2006 (PST)

Staaten Landt

Just wanted to check with folks if this would be considered okay. I personally have no objection. 10:01, 22 May 2007 (PDT)

The Boroughs

Who is "llo Rhiant" named after? Wouldn't that be "the Queens" rather than "the Queen's" d'llo Rhiant?

Similarly, I think that Aberddui or Aberddui New would make a better name for Bronx (i.e. West Chester). --Quentin 04:45, 12 April 2008 (PDT)

Aberddui (New) can be Westchester — Westchester and The Bronx are two different places. — Steg, a.k.a. Boroparkpyro 02:26, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


The Map

Someone needs to fix the map — New Castreleon is only Eastern New York; Central and Western NY *here* are part of Aquanishuonigy *there*. — Steg, a.k.a. Boroparkpyro 02:27, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Done. Elemtilas 14:19, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
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