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Not being an American and not knowing much about American politics, I'm curious: who is Howard Provo *here*? I've been able to trace back all the others (which in the case of Carter wasn't thát hard), but not him. --IJzeren Jan 23:47, 6 November 2005 (PST)

That would be howard Dean:
(Vermont shares a border with quebec)--Marc Pasquin 02:32, 7 November 2005 (PST)



a small correction, the FK only came about in 1805 so saying that fort james was an outpost of it in the early 18th century is anachronistic. It would have been an english outpost.--Marc Pasquin 02:43, 7 November 2005 (PST)


The title of "president" is not realy seen outside of republics and even less so in subnational entities. Other options could be "first-minister", "premier", etc... --Marc Pasquin 02:43, 7 November 2005 (PST)

Actually, given the fact that "president" in the NAL is considered a function minor to that of general moderator, I think the choice is not at all that bad. Note also that *here*, the city of Warsaw has a "president" (that's precisely what the current president-elect, Lech Kaczyński, used to be before he was elected president of Poland). Of course, an alternative could in this case be "moderator" (vs. "general moderator"); in that case, I'd suppose all governors would carry that title. --IJzeren Jan 02:52, 7 November 2005 (PST)
You know, I was all ready to defend the viability of "President" as the Jacobian chief executive, but then I saw the above suggestion of "Moderator." I really think that is probably best. Thankee! Zahir 07:06, 7 November 2005 (PST)

Have discovered the QSS is that both Jacobia and Cherokee's chief execs are in fact called "Lord Governor" and that both are involved in the "Watergap" scandal. Have made changes appropriately. In the process, I had some fun over who else might be Lord Governor of Jacobia. Zahir 07:08, 9 November 2005 (PST)


Ah, another of IB's doppel/trippel/quadruppelgangers. (See William Clinton, Guillaume Claintaun, and an RTC bloke, I think...) also, see Dibbler (Schwarzenegger's other *ppelganger is the gov of Alta California. I'm not saying remove him, I'm saying that it's one of those IB Whimsies. BoArthur 23:23, 8 November 2005 (PST)

Heh. Actually, I included one myself for Prussia--Wilhelm Klimpt and his wife Hildegarde, along with their political rivals Georg Grunwald and his son, Georg Grunwald II. Not in love with them or anything, but it seemed like fun. Don't know if anyone will be a the family name I chose for Arnold. Zahir 07:11, 9 November 2005 (PST)
Should we be upset with "Shickelgruber"? [PB]
It was Hitler's family name.... Zahir 21:08, 9 November 2005 (PST)
I like it! And no, I'm not upset at all, and I'm not an advocate of political correctness either. Yet, I would suggest that you give the bloke some kind of face job, just to make it clear that he IS based on Schwarzenegger, but also that he is a fictional person. --IJzeren Jan 02:49, 10 November 2005 (PST)

Bishop Sharpton

Thanks for the larf! Must admit, the thought Al Sharpton as a Catholic bishop is móst amusing, most ironic and most IB! ;)))))) Kudos tibi ago! Thanks for nimming the Governator as well. This of course means you'll have to come with interesting and -~snarfle~- plausible histories for these folks! Elemtilas

Jozef McCarthy's name.

It ought to be Jozef Mac Carthaigh instead. Anyone object to the change?

I don't per se. But I'm curious--why? Is there some reason the name "McCarthy" should not exist? And would that apply to "MacDowell" for instance? Mind you, I don't mind changing this name either way. Zahir 10:17, 30 November 2005 (PST)
Indeed, Keith is right. I have to admit that I didn't think about that in these cases, but Irish names haven't generally been anglicised in IB due to a completely different history. So yes, Mac Cartaigh would probably be better. --IJzeren Jan 11:46, 30 November 2005 (PST)
I'm at work. This is Zahir. Okay, fine. What about Scottish names? Like MacDowell?
Well, M(a)cDowell is an Irish name too, as it happens. With Scottish names, if the person is of highlands descent, I think the best way of dealing with their name is using the Gaelic form. Lowlanders, it's best to used the anglicisation. Now, people from the Breathanach speaking areas of Ireland and Scotland are a bit of an edge condition, and I'm not sure what to do with them. Irish people of Huguenot origin are best to keep the French form of their name, an example being Samuel Beckett, who is Somhairle de Becquet *there*.

Counting Down

This proposal will have been up thirty days (actually a little more) by the end of the week. Any comments before then? Zahir 22:25, 4 December 2005 (PST)


Are you referring to the game with the black and white checkered ball, or the bastardized version of rugby? BoArthur 21:47, 13 January 2006 (PST)

I specifically mentioned rugby, and linked the game to football which of course is the game that in the USA is called "soccer." Zahir 22:01, 13 January 2006 (PST)
Just wanted to be sure. ;) BoArthur 22:08, 13 January 2006 (PST)
Not really my thing, but its been coming up in the culture tests, so...why not? Zahir 22:14, 13 January 2006 (PST)

Scotish Jacobia?

Following some reading of this article, some thinking (and the sugestion of Zahir), perhaps Jacobia would be a Scotish province, or perhaps an Anglo-Scotish condominium. --Sikulu 00:52, 20 November 2006 (PST)

Certainly an interesting idea. This would also help suggest the notion--implied but not, as far as I know, explicitly stated--that Scotland remained a more-or-less equal of the England. Such would require similar resources, such as colonies. I don't see any real objection to the idea. Does anyone? Zahir 09:20, 20 November 2006 (PST)
Jacobia flag as Scottish colony

I would propose this change to the flag, from the English Cross to the St. Andrews Cross of Scotland. Any comments? Zahir 05:15, 1 December 2006 (PST)

And why not. But remember, several other countries used a red cross on a white background, such as the republic of Genoa. --Sikulu 05:34, 1 December 2006 (PST)
I have to agree with sikulu, a saltire in itsef does not make a flag scottish. One thing you could do if you want to use a black field would be to integrate it with the scottish colonial ensign (blue on white) to give you the flag to the right.--Marc Pasquin 07:40, 1 December 2006 (PST)
Marc's proposal
That one looks good, Marc. Perhaps that one should be used instead (since it looks more Scottish, and similar to the flag of Alba Nuadh. --Sikulu 08:15, 1 December 2006 (PST)
I agree. Marc's is better. Anybody object to making his the flag of Jacobia? Zahir 09:11, 1 December 2006 (PST)
Nothing from my quarter. BoArthur 11:04, 1 December 2006 (PST)
Honestly I like more the first flag due to its colours but I also think Marc's proposal is more correct for a scottish Jacobia. Therefore I vote on Marc's proposal.--Pedromoderno 12:03, 1 December 2006 (PST)
I vote for Marc's. Seth 2:01, 2 December 2006 (PST)
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