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Italy appears to be somewhat germanicized also. Seth

It does, doesn't it? Except that Germany was divided specifically to make sure it caused no more trouble! Nice turn of phrase, btw. One wonders how successful this idea has been. Might it not simply spark smaller wars that could (at least in theory) escalate? Zahir 22:29, 10 July 2006 (PDT)
I was thinking that also. What is, say, Bavaria attempts to secede from the Holy Roman Empire? Would the entire empire be flung into war, or only a few and others not? Seth 7:35, 11 July 2006
I don't think so. If, let's say, Ireland would secede from the European Union *here*, then what would happen? Nothing, I guess. But why would they? —IJzeren Jan Uszkiełtu? 03:58, 11 July 2006 (PDT)
Italy does. Russia to a less extent. --Quentin 04:27, 11 July 2006 (PDT)
But Italy and Russia wouldn't be "germanized" because the fractured nature was not imposed on them, and that's the definition, the one point of difference that makes the term necessary. Germany was forced to be fractured, rather than a united country, like what Bismarck and Hessler tried to do to their respective Germanies. BoArthur 06:17, 11 July 2006 (PDT)
Russia became a federation of its own accord. Italy *there* was a confederation from the start. (How did it evolve from the Republic of Lombardy anyway?) --Sikulu 06:19, 11 July 2006 (PDT)

Russia is a bad example indeed. There are three fundamental differences:

  • Federalisation was not imposed by anybody, but the work of autonomist forces within the republics itself.
  • The Russian Federation is much more than just some kind of supranational body.
  • Several republics, notably Muscovy and the RPN, are way too big, strong and powerful to be called "statelets".

IJzeren Jan Uszkiełtu? 06:37, 11 July 2006 (PDT)


related to germanization, would it be also worth to introduce nassinization as a paralel term to finlandization of *here*, with definition: "the influence that one powerful country may have on the policies of a smaller neighbouring country"? Jan II. 06:27, 30 August 2007 (PDT)

That's even very likely! Would that be all there's to say about it (in which case this info might be added somewhere else), or do you think there's enough for a whole article? —IJzeren Jan Uszkiełtu? 07:13, 30 August 2007 (PDT)
heh, there is whole [article on wiki] on finlandization we may ste... erm, transform into IB-ish ways. i will try to do it, if there is no objection ;) Jan II. 23:26, 30 August 2007 (PDT)
Hey, I'm all for it! —IJzeren Jan Uszkiełtu? 00:44, 31 August 2007 (PDT)
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