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First Lord

Does the First Lord have to be a Lord? I'm assuming not, since John Smith has no title attached to his name. If a woman is chosen, would her title be First Lady?

Might this mean the title of Prime Minister would be unused in Commonwealth nations, and possibly less common outside the Commonwealth as well? Nik 00:42, 30 November 2005 (PST)

I would assume not because the First Lord *here* hasn't needed to be since the early 1800s. One would assume the situation is the same *there*. --Kgaughan 05:45, 14 March 2006 (PST)

Second House?

I've been meaning to ask--what is this business about the "Second House of Plantagenet" all about? Zahir 04:31, 30 November 2005 (PST)

Administrative divisions

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I've found several weirdnesses with this map of the counties.

  • Yorkshire apparently includes Cumberland. I know, *there* is not *here*, but how did that happen? No Lancashire to stop them?
  • Leicestershire and Rutland are swapped from where they are *here*. Rutland is the tiny county that's basically a cut-off corner of Leicestershire. But don't tell that to anyone who lives there!
  • There's no number in the area next to County no. 5 (Nottinghamshire). *Here*, that area is Derbyshire. QAA it's the same *there*.
  • AFAICR, *here*, Huntingdonshire extended further north and included Peterborough, which it wouldn't do by that map. Of course, there's nothing that says it couldn't be as it's drawn, but it would be nice to rationalise it somehow.
  • The Isle of Wight should get its own county *there*. What with Wessish surviving, it's certainly a unique cultural region withing England, and it has more population than Rutland!

Anyway, I was just wandering through the Wiki, and I noticed it, so I thought I'd bring it up. Geoff 00:54, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

First Lord again

It occurred to Nik (above) years ago, and to me just now, that there are not likely to be many "Prime Ministers" in the world *there*, if England has a First Lord. Benkarnell 12:29, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Maybe not in the english part of the british commonwealth but outside of it I wouldn't be so sure. The useage goes back to the french kings who named a "premier ministre" to head the royal council. So some countries, especially those who used to belong to the french empire or were inspired by french republicanism, would have a prime minister.--Marc Pasquin 13:19, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
And English-speaking Illinois even has a "Premier Minister" for exactly that reason. I'm glad there's another source for the name. Otherwise there'd be a lot of explaining to do! Benkarnell 13:21, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Roses

The badge
The roundel?

Reading about the War of the Roses *there* (Kentian golds vs Yorkist whites), I thought of this gold-on-red badge that Queen Margaret could use, which became the floral badge of England. Then I realized you could add some green barbs to England's existing roundel to give it some heraldic flair. Maybe it's used for a specific wing of aircraft for defending the homeland? [EDIT]Wait. that actually makes no sense. Gold and white do not red and gold make. Can, er, the Yorkists be red? Never mind. I'm not thinking today. Benkarnell 13:27, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

thats okay, everyone is entitled a brain flatulence once in a while.--Marc Pasquin 19:52, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Oh, dear. The heat getting to you? I have a friend who once spent a few minutes trying to figure out that word for the thing that you use to pick up food ("fork"). On the other hand, this is a such a pretty design seems a shame not to use it--if we can come up with a justification that makes sense. One might wish to look at the Stuarts (related to the Kentians maybe?) and/or Margaret's mother Joanna of Castile. Just a thought. Zahir 06:26, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Would it work that the eventually victorious Yorkist house (or someone else, later on) chose a red rose with a gold centre as a kind of unifying badge to represent the whole nation, rather than being specific to one dynasty or the other? Probably out of character for the time period, but it would be nice to salvage this nice roundel if we can. - Geoff 11:36, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

John Smith?

Is this a deliberately "generic" name, or is it referring to the Labour Party leader John Smith? If the latter, he was actually Scottish, I think. Celeste Lavender 09:59, 3 December 2015 (PST)

Presbyterian Bishops?

In the article, it states that the Bishop of York is a Protestant. Thing is, the dominant Protestant denomination in England *there* seems to be Presbyterianism... which isn't exactly known for having bishops. (It IS named Presbyterianism, after all.) Should we maybe change that?Juan Martin Velez Linares 13:57, 2/12/2016 (CST)

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