Talk:Claudius Rhodes

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Is this all we know of early South Africa? Theophilus88 17:06, 6 March 2006 (PST)

Yep. We don't know a whole lot. Well, we now know the flag is kind of off. Basically, SA is pretty much like *here*'s SA. You know, Natives, Boers, English, diamonds. No apartheid, though, it seems. Elemtilas 18:56, 6 March 2006 (PST)
So Claudius Rhodes *there* would be less racist than Cecil Rhodes *here*? Could this be due to his friendship with R. Hengist Ryder?Theophilus88 20:11, 6 March 2006 (PST)
Could be. Elemtilas 15:18, 7 March 2006 (PST)

Is the content of the article copied from an outside source? There's no Zimbabwe or Zambia *there*, nor a Cape-to-Cairo railway. Elemtilas 19:02, 6 March 2006 (PST)


Glen Grey Act

In 1890 *here* Cecil Rhodes promoted the Glen Grey Act, which removed native populations from commercially exploitable areas. The contributing factors were greed and a belief in the inferiority of Africans. This Act, however, does not require anything more than the endless greed of a commercial baron; therefore I think that Claudius Rhodes *there* should support the Act, even though he is less racist that Cecil. Does this make sense?Theophilus88 16:56, 8 March 2006 (PST)

It does. Though a later SAU might come to regret Mr Rhodes's greed as the Natives bring suits against the State for loss of lands and, horror of horrors, lost profits from said lands' mineral rights. Elemtilas 19:46, 8 March 2006 (PST)

De Beers name

How about "De Wijns" ? (wijn being dutch for "wine")--Marc Pasquin 17:30, 8 March 2006 (PST)

I like it. Though I suspect that De Wijns is becomming as obsolescent as De Beers *here*, if the Russians and others *there* are finding and exploiting diamond mines... Elemtilas 19:46, 8 March 2006 (PST)

Condiminium or No?

Is the relationship between Cape Colony and the Transvaal condominial?Theophilus88 15:19, 9 March 2006 (PST)

No. The South African Union is a unitary state having some kind of prime minister, a parliament and all the usual trappings. Same goes for Rhodesia and SWA anymore. It may well be that SAU is composed of one or more colonies/dominions and two or more of those may have had some kind of condominial relationship with somewhere else. For example, SWA had a sort of condominial relationship under South Africa. But that's no longer.
Lesotho is an "autonomous region" within SAU. Elemtilas 17:06, 9 March 2006 (PST)

More Details

Leander Jameson – drowned as child?

1920 – stick together?

What to do about will and Rhodes Scholarship/secret society? Are/Should they be the same?Theophilus88 19:56, 11 March 2006 (PST)

There's no reason they háve to be the exact same as *here*. Elemtilas 12:19, 12 March 2006 (PST)
The two combined would be irresistable to Errol Redfern.Theophilus88 14:30, 12 March 2006 (PST)
Another thought: the Rhodes Scholarship *here* was restricted to males, although that changed later; if the same provision exsts *there* and apartheid did not occur, then the initial restriction could be modified to include Westernized Africans, rather than women.Theophilus88 14:38, 12 March 2006 (PST)

The name

I wonder why Cecil was changed to Claudius? Is there any particular reason? I have this question about many IB personalities, as in many cases the person is actually *the same*, but name is given differently.

I understand it when the person is really not the same (Adolf Hessler and Adolf Hitler - but, in this case I don't understand why the name has to be similar rather than completely different, as if he is some different person who lived at Germany at the same time and did not became known in *our world* but became known in IB due to different circumstances it is very unlikely that he would have a name so similar, although possible).

I'm beginning to think I should have called him Wulf Blätzer or something completely different! I don't really mean to rant, but I can't recall how many times I've seen Hessler and Hitler in the same sentence. Just to be plain: Adolf Hessler is in NO WAY the same as Adolf Hitler! No connection at all.
And as for similar names, you just have to do a White Pages lookup to see how many people have the same name. I found a couple Adolf Hesslers in New York right off.

I also understand it if there is a good explaination (for example, Venedised names of Lithuanian nobility would be different than Polonized, some nations in IB has different religion than real world and names one is given frequently depends on religion, as well some people in real world are named after historical figures, and some of the real world's prominent figures were not famous in IB or were famous but weren't so influentive). What is the explaination for Claudius over Cecil? Abdul-aziz 10:02, 13 April 2006 (PDT)

I can only leave that to the one who changed the name! Elemtilas 12:25, 13 April 2006 (PDT)
I of course know that Adolf Hessler is not Hitler and that is why I have said that it is an example of event where I understand that a different name was used (because they are different persons, although in similar position).
Alright! I think we're both straight on Hessler then!
And indeed such coincidence could have happened, but as we also have Iosif Vissarionov and other people with similar names to actually existed people who held similar positions in the real world, it becomes kind of too much to be a coincidence. Abdul-aziz 15:21, 13 April 2006 (PDT)
Well, this is simply part of the game. I agree that it can be taken too far (if two people are too identical *here* and *there*) and also if there are too many clones of one real person. As for Vissarionovich, he seems to be about as different from *here*'s Stalin as you could like. Kind of like *there*'s Richard Nixon. Elemtilas 19:43, 13 April 2006 (PDT)
I changed it to Claudius so that I could keep the progress of IB-isation straight in my head and remember which Earth each lived on.Theophilus88 13:39, 14 April 2006 (PDT)
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