Talk:Bornei-Filipinas

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When was it decided that the Filipinas and Bornei were one entity? I think I missed something.... BoArthur 18:56, 1 February 2006 (PST)

Indeed you did. :) Essentially, this was decided when Roger decided that the precolonial SEAsian empires from *here* survived *there*. This not only includes the Xrivizajan and Mazapahit empires, but also the Bruneian empire, which not only controlled Borneo, but also the Philippines before the Spaniards arrived. Now although it was also agreed that there was a Castilian presence in the Filipinas and the Malucos like *here*, in IB the SEAsian states were apparently much stronger than the European colonizers. To explain the strength of the SEAsian states in IB, I agreed with Roger and Nik that they emulated the Chinese by centralizing their rule much earlier than they did *here*. Furthermore, I agreed with Padriac that Assyrian (Nestorian) Christianity established itself on Bornei and spread from there to the Filipinas and the Malucos prior to the arrival of the Castilians. Thus, the bond between Bornei and the Filipinas was much stronger and never completely severed *there*. Many of the rebellions in the Filipinas were instigated by Borneian loyalists (just like the first few rebellions *here*). When Filipinas finally got rid of the Castilian yoke, the Filipinas rejoined the "motherland" and "returned to Babylon" as Padriac has so eloquently stated. Mind you, we have not agreed on how much of the island of Borneo belongs to Bornei-Filipinas. Boreanesia 00:31, 14 February 2006 (PST)

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Some Revisions

I think some revisions are needed here.

First, I am thinking if Bornei and Filipinas could split permanently in the 1990s. Second, some parts needed some rework.--Chinofilipino 03:54, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Equivalent to English

Obviously the jodidos Anglos never reached the Philippines' (or Borneo's, for that matter) beautiful shores--so what, then, is the cultural replacement for English *there*? Is it Castilian still, or has Japanese exerted itself on Bornei-Filipinas through the various treaties? Juan Martin Velez Linares 13:25, 25/2/2016 (CST)

Size of Bornei

Does the Bornei portion of Bornei-Filipinas take up the entirety of Borneo, or just the northern two-thirds of it? Juan Martin Velez Linares 13:42, 25/2/2016 (CST)

I am thinking I will follow the original world map. I deemed Bornei's area as too big. Eastern Borneo should be given back to Mazapahit, and I am thinking of Western Kalimantan to end up as the Kongxi Federation, a possible tributary state of Filipinas.

--General tiu 10:51, 26 October 2017 (PDT)

While I can see how you might think Bornei is too big, from what I understand the current retcon of the entirety of Borneo being within Bornei-Filipinas is QSS. Keep in mind that it is called a MAHArajjao, which suggests it is quite large. So while I definitely would also like the Lanfang Republic/Kongxi Federation to be separate, it has to be a state within Bornei-Filipinas. If you don't want Bornei to include the territory of *here*'s Sultanate of Banjarmasin, then we can make it a separate rajjao within Bornei-Filipinas, but we can't put it in Majapahit. Juanmartinvelezlinares 11:56, 26 October 2017 (PDT)

I think I would stick your ideas after all. I think the world map should be changed and be consistent.

--General tiu 18:06, 26 October 2017 (PDT)

Alright then. Should I write up the Rajjao of Negaradaha then? (Negaradaha was the name of *here*'s Banjarmasin before it got Islamicised; I figured I'd keep the name in Assyrian Christian Bornei-Philippines). Juanmartinvelezlinares 18:18, 26 October 2017 (PDT)
I want to see the thing, go for it! --General tiu 20:02, 26 October 2017 (PDT)

Chavacano in Baybayin?

Considering that Chavacano is a Romance creole rather than a native Austronesian language, wouldn't it make more sense if it was written solely in Latin? Plus that might explain why Baybayin wasn't as used initially until Tagalog got official status as a second language of the Philippines. Juanmartinvelezlinares 06:24, 8 November 2017 (PST)

Based on the article about Borneian Church, Chavacano was written in Baybayin as well in liturgy. I don't know if it is restricted for liturgy, but I will try to consider the suggestion. Indeed, it makes more sense if Chavacano is officially solely in Latin, or because Baybayin as a whole is almost restricted to liturgical services and certain cultural works.

--General tiu 09:37, 8 November 2017 (PST)

Hmm. Well, my personal headcanon is that Chavacano is officially written in Latin while Tagalog, Cebuano/Visayan and Ilocano are written in Baybayin except for cases of romanizations. This might also explain why Baybayin may not have been as heavily used in administration initially, since Tagalog only became a prominent language of administration in the last half-century or so. Juanmartinvelezlinares 10:30, 13 November 2017 (PST)

Orthodox Church in the Philippines

Would you mind if I pitched you some ideas on the daily life and culture of the Orthodox community here? I’m more interested in flushing out the Orthodox Church in East Asia these days than Europe, and this is about the only opportunity to get something unique going in SE Asia. Misterxeight 23:02, 15 November 2017 (PST)

Me and General tiu are probably the closest thing this page has to a caretaker ATM until Benct returns from the war. Personally, though, I don't have any problem with it. Gaan door, mijn vriend. Juanmartinvelezlinares 04:46, 16 November 2017 (PST)
I'll pitch it, since I was inspired by an idea from my friend in alternatehistory.com. But both of us were booted off-site long ago.

The idea is that some Russian settlers in Manchuria who fought for Qing China rather than Russia in the Great Oriental War fled to other lands or returned to Russia. The Philippines was one of the countries that the Russian settlers moved through, and suddenly, John Maximovitch moved to an island called Tubabao in Samar. While he is pro-Snorist to the end, he had a disagreement with some of the members of the Holy Synod in Moscow and distanced himself from Russia a bit. John with his social-welfare programs converted the previously Catholic and Nestorian population of Samar and Leyte into the Orthodox Church, and the Philippine government tolerated them due to reports that pro-CSDS guerrillas are recruiting peasants. Ironically, actual pro-SNORists also emerged from Samar and Leyte (now to be called as Tendaya) and wanted the islands to break away from the Filipinas. The ascent of Fernando Marcos, whose wife was a Catholic Leyteno, put the end of this movement and in exchange, he turned Filipinas itself into a SNORist state.

Basically, due to John Maximovitch's programs before he left for the NAL, the average Tendayan has a higher per-capita income than the average Filipino. Also, the work ethics he instilled to the populace helped.

--General tiu 11:35, 16 November 2017 (PST)

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