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Dragon.gif Austro-Prussian War was the Ill Bethisad Collaboration of the Fortnight on January 9, 2006.
For details on how the article improved, see the Austro-Prussian War history page.


maybe that can be our "contribution of the forthnight". CAn someone make a tag ?--Marc Pasquin 16:39, 9 January 2006 (PST)

Made, with appropriate support pages. You'll be happy to note, Marc, that I had a great help from the Australian Collaboration of the Fortnight page! Go here for the page! BoArthur

Contents

Differences

What differences would've existed *there* from *here*? BoArthur

lo primero: we have Austro-Dalmatia instead of Austro-Bohemo-Hungaria; so no war campaign on Czech/Bohemian territory => totally different strategies. Austrians tend not to capture Silesia again, Prussia cannot raid Bohemia therefore.
lo segundo: because of that, we will have different alliancies; the reasons for allying are *there* different. My proposal in article is: i) some states oppose Prussia for being war- and powermonger (i.e. nothern states), ii) some states oppose Austria to lessen/dimish its influence on HRE matters (i.e. southern states + Saxony).
lo tercero: it should be the first, but looks minor (although it's not): casus beli! Austro-Prussian coallition cannot fight for Schleswig-Holstein in 1864 (cos it is in SR) and Bismarck thus should choose other victim/country to trick'n'irritate Austro-Dalmatia (I chose Mecklenburg) and provoke the APW 1866.
lo cuarto: we have slightly different output. Prussia annected few states among those which opposed (proposito: Mecklenburg, Hannover, Hessen, and Frankfurt). Also, Austrian king is still Emperor of HRE, *here* was emperorship dismantled sixty years sooner (it is to hold continuation of HRE).
To sum it, we need APW as a prelude to Prussian domination (note: without Silesia it is in much less favoured situation; it must build different industrial region), as a prelude to Franco-Prussian conflict and re-creation of tied and unified HRE. Jan II. 23:14, 18 January 2006 (PST)

Proposal

Since this is the Ill Bethsiad Collaberation of the Fortnight, are their any ideas for a proposal. --Sikulu 00:31, 1 February 2006 (PST)

Well, the article itself is a proposal of mine. We need to come to conclusion to the four points raised above by BoArthur and me. Jan II.
Just a head's up. I'm going to try and follow this, offering what input I can. However, these events are not something I truly understand so my contributions will most likely be minor. But, I'll try. Zahir 07:56, 1 February 2006 (PST)
Unfortunatly, most of my own althists negate a war between Austria and Prussia entirely, so I wouldn't be sure of where to begin. I have researched this (the Seven Weeks' War) in my own time, though (all hail Britannica). --Sikulu 07:59, 1 February 2006 (PST)
When you say above that Prussia "takes" over a number of territories, I can't completely accept that, as Mecklenburg is known to be it's own territory through to the present, as in the 1920's Hessler has one of the dukes and his family assassinated. BoArthur
I'd expect that Prussia would proclaim hegemony over these territories, and form something like the North German Confederation/Zollverein sort-of-thing. --Sikulu 03:19, 2 February 2006 (PST)
Yes, that seems to be the most plausible solution. Unlike to *here*, Prussia will not annex their former opponents in APW, but force them to enter Prussian Realm with tariff-union and common currency. The thing we really need to know is the relation of Scandianvian Realm to the shared members of HRE and SR. Jan II. 00:35, 3 February 2006 (PST)
Might not Mecklenburg have regained its own independence as a result of the First Great War? Zahir 07:50, 2 February 2006 (PST)
Just out of curiosity, which Mecklenburg(s) are we talking about? --Sikulu 08:05, 2 February 2006 (PST)
The way that I've always understood it, the two Mecklenburgs essentially functioned as one aside from internal affairs, and that the only reason they unified was that Hessler offed the whole family of M-Schwerin (?) (I think that's the one)...Yeah, because M-Strelitz is the duke that took over the whole. BoArthur 08:26, 2 February 2006 (PST)
Is that in IB, or was it that way *here* too? --Sikulu 08:32, 2 February 2006 (PST)
There were two *here* until WWI when all the royalty of Germany was abolished. BoArthur
I know that they were seperate *here* at least till the Weimar gov. (but I think that they were merged during the Nazi period). At any rate, I was asking about their mutual interdependence. --Sikulu 08:43, 2 February 2006 (PST)
Not 100% sure, but I will say that it's that way *there*. BoArthur
Firstly, the two Mecks were merged in 1934. Secondly, I don't see why SH can't be a reason for the war, due to its succession rules (unless the SR constitution abolishes Salic Law and the like in its territory). --Sikulu 04:06, 8 February 2006 (PST)
I'm sorry, SH? And the Mecklenburg merger, you're meaning *there*? BoArthur 09:28, 8 February 2006 (PST)
Schleswig-Holstein. As for Meck, I meant *here*. Sorry for the confusion. --Sikulu 03:28, 9 February 2006 (PST)

Deeper background

To include deeper background for Austro-Prussian War, I have created also proposal pages for both Mecklenburg wars, The First War of Mecklenburg and The Second War of Mecklenburg. They are inspired by wars for Schleswig-Holstein, but modified to suit IB. What we need quite urgently is Kristian ;) -- Jan II. 01:28, 9 February 2006 (PST)

See my comments here. Boreanesia 06:30, 15 February 2006 (PST)

Are we finished with Austro-Prussia?

It's been awhile since we've had any trafifc on this page...has it been expanded enough, or have the contributors taken some time to research? Should we leave it as the IBCOTF, or are we ready to move onto the next? BoArthur 09:31, 17 March 2006 (PST)

I think we've done as much as we could, given the circumstances. I was wondering if everyone had forgotten about IBCOTF though. --Sikulu 00:42, 20 March 2006 (PST)
I most certainly have not forgotten about IBCOTF. However, I'm not really qualified to offer much feedback on this specific subject so have been waiting on the outcome. Zahir 06:32, 20 March 2006 (PST)
We are not yet finnished, we should wait for Kristian to revise the last changes in Second Mecklenburg War, since this was is crucial for Austro-Prussian one. But generaly, we are very close to end. Jan II. 00:27, 22 March 2006 (PST)

Are we finished with the Austro-Prussian War? REDUX

Well; are we still waiting on the Second Mecklenburg War? What can the rest of us do to help you and Kristian finish it? BoArthur 13:21, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

We need anyone speaking for Scandinavian Union to decide the acts preceding Austro-Prussian War. He/She must approve my ideas for Luebeck involvement, since Kristian had objections agains my first iteration. Unfortunately, Kristian is not around, and I do not know who else can make it. Jan I.? Jan II. 23:32, 14 May 2006 (PDT)
Do we know where Kristian is at present? Or is he incommunicado in the Philipines? BoArthur 15:19, 18 May 2006 (PDT)

Are we finished with the Austro-Prussian War? No, seriously this time, blokes.

We've waited two years, almost. Can anyone weigh in and say if this is done or not? BoArthur 12:40, 17 April 2008 (PDT)

Well, its effects on Luxemburg weren't known until recently. So the fortnight x 52 hasn't been all in vain.  :-) Benkarnell 14:22, 17 April 2008 (PDT)
The reason that it took so long was that we are waiting for Kristian's comments regarding the Mecklenburg Wars. Well, he has given it last October and Jan II has modified the corresponding articles accordingly. So unless there is a discrepancy between them and this baby, I think we can call it a day (a pretty long one, I should add!), QSS-ify it, and pick another subject for the next two years! ;) —IJzeren Jan Uszkie┼étu? 14:25, 17 April 2008 (PDT)
Well, then let's move on to the next war, France vs. Prussia. It's an absolute mess (talks about the King of Spain!). Benkarnell 14:42, 17 April 2008 (PDT)
Let us de-IBCOTF it, then. BoArthur 15:09, 17 April 2008 (PDT)
I fully agree Jan II. 01:18, 18 April 2008 (PDT)
Me, three! Zahir 13:05, 18 April 2008 (PDT)
I just saw this:
The major problem would lie here: there was no Austro-Prussian War in IB and due to the Vienna Congress *there*, no similar Bohemian-Prussian war could happen, because Bohemia was already sharp on Prussia just waiting to punish any Prussian provocation. Industrial power of Bohemia was much stronger than of Austria *here*, they did not loose Silesia; vice versa, Prussia was weaker. I would try to think out, what might substitute the Austro-Prussian War in consequences. -- Jan II.
But given that he signed off here, and the prior was dated to 2005, I'm going to stand-down red-alert on the Franco-Prussian War and here, too, and call it good. BoArthur 14:56, 17 November 2015 (PST)
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