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Regarding *Here's* East Jersey (i.e. Oxbridge)

Just out of curiosity, but shouldn't Oxbridge be Scotish? Since it covers *here's* East Jersey, and since, presumably, whoever founds the English part of Pennsylvaania would found it for the same reason as Penn did *here*, the Quakers in Oxbridge would promote Scotish influences rather than Quaker influences, like they did *here*. Or am I mistaken?

I mentioned this on the Rhode Island article's Talk page, since Rhode Island is, apparantly, Scotish. --Sikulu 09:12, 4 October 2006 (PDT)

For an extension of this discussion, please look at Jacobia's talk page. --Sikulu 00:55, 20 November 2006 (PST)

Wikipedia page

The Wikipedia Ill Bethisad page was deleted today. Nik 20:48, 12 November 2006 (PST)

Hmm I am unable to find any "Articles for Deletion" discussion on IB, only on various IB-related constructed languages... Could you give a link to it? Abdul-aziz 05:16, 13 November 2006 (PST)

No, that's because there is none. It was deleted under the Prod policy; see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=Ill_Bethisad . If you wanted too you could take it to DRV; but It mightn't be worth it. 0--Quentin 07:32, 13 November 2006 (PST)

That's Flarggging ridiculous. Note the capital-F. I've got an admin friend to see if Mr. Cholmes75 was a bit "cavalier." Frankly, it doesn't matter that there are only 50 members. Every linguistics professor I've ever worked with has known of IB and EVERYONE on Conlang knows about it at some level. It's NOT non-notable...just not in the circles that Mr. CHolmes75 travels in. I vote we ask at _LEAST_ for a VfD rather than wholesale deletion. BoArthur 09:46, 13 November 2006 (PST)

Well its restored now on behalf of BoArthur as far as I understand. I haven't been editing Wikipedia for long and I see times have changed there. In my times no articles except obvious insults, vandalism and such could have been deleted without a proper discussion. This deletion was also a breach of Wikipedia's goal to create a worldwide encyclopedia, because at least in my times of editing Wikipedia if an article was deleted in English Wikipedia the deletion should have also been considered in other Wikipedias (if I remember correctly), as all Wikipedias are considered to be worldwide despite of language and what is encyclopedic for e.g. Polish Wikipedia must be encyclopedic for English Wikipedia as well. While in this case it was deleted from English Wikipedia and remained in other Wikipedias where it existed. Abdul-aziz 10:06, 13 November 2006 (PST)

We need to now find examples where IB is published about. I only wish that my IB novel were ready to publish, that would put an end to all of this! (Of course, I couldn't put a link to that, as that's self-promotion.) Well, there you go. If you can find articles where IB is mentioned, and link to them that will establish notoriety, which will get them off our backs. BoArthur 12:15, 13 November 2006 (PST)

This gent here claims that we're fairly notable.

Does it being attached to Brithening and Wenedyk which _are_ notable count?

I believe it should count. After all, it is hard to explain Wenedyk, Brithening without explaining Ill Bethisad more. The link to Ill Bethisad article from Wenedyk article existed even when the Ill Bethisad article was deleted. Abdul-aziz 14:47, 13 November 2006 (PST)

IB LANGS in Real Life? (!)

Yes, folks, at this website [1] I have found listed in the list of languages, Brithenig, Bretheanach, Wenedyk! Just in case one of you wants to find an HIV doctor and speak only in an IB Conlang. HOW STRANGE IS THAT? :) BoArthur 17:53, 13 November 2006 (PST)

Also Teonath, Talk Pona, Verdurian and Esperanto? Weird. --Quentin 08:54, 14 November 2006 (PST)

In case of Esperanto it is probably possible that it would be the only language some two people (i.e. doctor and patient) would both speak (it could be so that patient is a Pole and also speaks Esperanto (but not English), while the doctor is American and also speaks Esperanto (but not Polish) for example). With IB languages however this is not likely, because it seems that all resources in IB are in English (therefore people who would learn those languages also needs to know English and in case they'd meet they'd most likely talk in English, not these languages). If there would be resources on IB conlangs in other real-world languages as well, then theoretically such a situation would be possible. Abdul-aziz 09:36, 14 November 2006 (PST)

I'm mostly saying that it's absolutely strange to me that they would actually list IB languages on this page, given that no-one actually speaks any of these languages. BoArthur 10:16, 14 November 2006 (PST)

I believe they might have just copied the list from some kind of languages category in Wikipedia. Abdul-aziz 10:17, 14 November 2006 (PST)

It's worth noting, albeit belatedly, that Gothic and Gaulish are also on the list. ;D Sectori 18:22, 26 November 2006 (PST)

See this [2], where someone is claiming to speak Arkian (one of my conlangs if not coincidental) on level 5/6 :) Jan II. 05:44, 27 November 2006 (PST)

Piombino

Since there's no article on it, and Piombino is (presumably) still ruled by an Appiani, has an Elbic minority, and no doubt possesses a primarily Elbophone (:P) population, might I take charge there, as well? Sectori 16:45, 27 November 2006 (PST)

Make sure you crosspost your request here. BoArthur 17:53, 27 November 2006 (PST)

There seems to be no objection (or any response, for that matter). May I take that as a go-ahead? Sectori 15:23, 30 November 2006 (PST)

I was more suggesting to write the article/your ideas down and present them to the folks on conculture. :) BoArthur 19:34, 30 November 2006 (PST)

That would make more sense, wouldn't it? :P Sectori 03:56, 1 December 2006 (PST)

There was absolutely no response to it in the least. :| Sectori 13:12, 9 December 2006 (PST)

Create Account?

A prosective new user contacted me with some ideas and said that there doesn't seem to be a way to create a login. I looked around and didn't see a way to create a login either. How should he go about it? Steg, a.k.a. Boroparkpyro 18:42, 27 November 2006 (PST)

Please have him post to conculutre and we'll go from there! :) BoArthur 16:37, 30 November 2006 (PST)

However, is it possible at all for anybody to create new accounts? As this problem seems to have been raised here not for a first time. If it is not possible, then we should at least disable this (i.e. the inability to create new accounts) for one day and during that day create a number of generic accounts which we could then give to new people. Of course, a drawback of this is that they couldn't choose their usernames then. Abdul-aziz 07:17, 9 December 2006 (PST)

Olympics

It's probably come up before, but are there Olympics in IB? Sectori 16:41, 1 December 2006 (PST)

Yup, it has. There's a thread at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/conculture. BoArthur 17:15, 1 December 2006 (PST)

Odd. I find not one, but four mentions of them when I search "Olympic": two in a news article, one in an article about Alan Turing, and one in another article whose content is escaping me at the moment. Sectori 17:18, 1 December 2006 (PST)

The equivalent to what *here* are the olympics are called *there* World Games. What *there* are called olympics to the greek national games. --Marc Pasquin 07:37, 2 December 2006 (PST)