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Bengwenid! Bieńwięty! Moyn moyn! Bemmeinde! Pemmenut! Benvenuto! Welcome!

This is Lla Dafern, or, as the Saxon invaders call it, The Pub. It is one of many places where the members of Ill Bethisad enjoy meeting each other informally. It is the place where opinions can be exchanged and questions can be asked concerning Ill Bethisad in general or about topics that do not fit in the Talk compartment of individual wiki pages. It is also the place where technical questions can be asked to the moderators of this wiki.

THE MENU: Our chef, whose nationality for reasons of security will remain undisclosed, offers you a broad assortiment of Helvetian and other specialties, such as Montreiano Sea Elephant steaks with rended blubber, or if you prefer a side of Pacific white sided dolphin babyback ribs. He will be more than happy to give you a demonstration of his culinary talents. Just keep your health insurance card ready! And if you aren't particularly hungry today, he will also happily treat you on a rosy-scented Jervan Muscatel, a cool Dumnonian cider, a warm Irish or a cold Batavian beer, or, if you are amongst the more daring, a true Venedic jekwiała. For those who appreciate fine wines we carry the rich red wines of Bordeaux and les Ozarques, Brandy or Montignac, and bin ruper from Hostreht in Xliponia. For the discerning, a good 1984 vintage Arvorec anaf aval is recommended as an apéritif. Especially for minors and teetotallers we also serve Coke, orange juice, goat milk, Italian Limonata, and Neofrancian Spruce beer. If you prefer a more active pursuit to accompany your imbibition, there's a rousing game of puir-man whummlin going on out back. There's even an occasional pickup match of hibercrosse. Cheerio!

WARNING: Please don't pay attention to the smoke, the noise and the mess. Watch your steps and don't break your neck over cables, books, broken chairs, empty beer cans, leftovers of cigarettes and snacks...our bus boys get to it when they can...

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The current Ill Bethisad Collaboration of the Fortnight is: Franco-Prussian War.   Every fortnight a different topic, stub or non-existent article is picked by nomination.
Please read the nomination text and improve the article any way you can. 


2005: February – July | August – September | October | November | December
2006: January | February | March | April | May | June | July – September | October – December
2007: January – June | July – December
2008: January – June | July – December


Now Spekes Willjbot

Hello there! (I've never been especially good at introductions) I'de first like to thank who ever decided to keep my spoof article. I should add though, contrary to what some IB fans seemed to think, its not actually specifically an IB spoof. In fact, I stumbled accross your splendid wiki, and IB itself while looking for somewhere to post the article. (unsurprisingly, Wikipedia had deleted it). I like to think of it as an in-joke that went to far. Anyways, my friend and co-author of our nerdish joke that never quite ended are very impressed with IB, and have spread its word to many others (though we remain slightly confused as to how it started). Also, as the IB project is incomplete, when aditions, are made, how is it decided what happened? I hope the article isn't too annoying, you can delete it if you feel its out of place. Though, I might add, that most decent wiki's are crawling with irratating spoofs such as my own - it just wouldn't be a decent IB wiki without an irratating spoof. As I write this I begin to wonder if it will confuse, as most people in Lla Dafern probably don't know what I'm refering to; I just thought I ought to say hello. I shall therefore end as I began, hello!


You're welcome re keeping your fine work of spoofery. Thank you for advertising our little alt-history! How IB started is a rather curious story. Andrew should feel free to emend or correct as needed, but the gist is this: Andrew Smith in or about 1996 had been working on an interesting conlang project, namely, what would a Romance language look like had the Vulgar Latin of late classical & early medieval Britain survived the Saxon onslaught. The result was Brithenig. Other conlangers found the project very interesting and within a year we had a nice little email community going. Eventually we took up questions of "who is it that would speak Brithenig? -- what are their daily lives and culture like?" This led to work on the Kingdom of Kemr. Others came and discovered what was going on in other parts of the world.
We decide what happened via a series of processes called How It All Works. The opinions and recollections of those of us who have been working here the longest are also solicited.
Your article wasn't annoying at all! It will eventually be spruced up a bit, but it is quite humorous. As for most wikis being full of such irritating spooves: we are pretty good at policing such things. Mostly the run of the mill Spam. Yours is the first actual spoof we've had. Frankly, we liked your article. It's certainly weird, perhaps even odd, but the concensus has been to keep it around.
Elemtilas 13:00, 1 June 2006 (PDT)
I must admit, it was me who nominated that for deletion on Wikipesija. On EBO;
If TARMOS is meant to be similar to TARDIS, that's the TEDDRING in IB.
Does the RSPCA exist in the FK under that name?
Who made the programme? The BBC or someone else?
What's with Esperanto? Check over that article. You may want to refer to Latin Sine Flexione.
All in all, thanks for joining our merrye bande! I myself am still not on the list  :-(, so don't feel afraid, but be careful, not like me (!). --Quentin 13:53, 1 June 2006 (PDT)

Geoffrey Sessions and Ann Coulter

Are at eachother's heels. --Quentin 13:41, 2 June 2006 (PDT)

Well, Hannah Coultier anyway. What is your point? Zahir 14:11, 2 June 2006 (PDT)
My question is how? We could have an American parliament. I did mean Hannah Coultier as opposed to Wikipedia:Ann Coulter. --Quentin 23:45, 3 June 2006 (PDT)
How what? And the NAL does have an American Parliament. But how what? I don't understand your question. Zahir 06:58, 4 June 2006 (PDT)
Presumably, Quentin's refering to each others respective political views (Hannah Coultier (left-wing), Geoffrey Sessions (right-wing)). --Sikulu 06:15, 5 June 2006 (PDT)

The Parting Glass

There is a lovely Irish drinking song by that name (and whát Irish drinking song ìsn't lovely?) that goes in part: "and since it falls unto my lot, that I should rise and you should not, I'll gently rise and softly call, "Good night and joy be with you all."

My bags are packed and I'm to be off for some time. JvS and Dan H. shall look after things hereabouts, undoubtedly better than I ever could! So fare ye all well for the now!

Elemtilas 18:32, 2 June 2006 (PDT)

"I never look back, dahling! It distracts from da now." Enjoy your break! Take your time going, but do hurry on back! While Jan and I may be good stewards, your absence will be felt. BoArthur 09:12, 6 June 2006 (PDT)

Commonwealth Membership

bad timing considering the preceding post but with Quentin recent addition to commonwealth articles, I have read up a bit on the subject and I think a few of its members nation might be put on hold pending discussion. Some seem to have been included with no apparent justification (no QAA nor historical POD) and should probably be approved by the other list members before permanently been given QSS status.

And just to be clear (because I'm often taken as beligerent), I am not attacking anyone in particular nor saying they did something wrong. I just want to make sure we're all in agreement regarding something that concern more they one caretaker's area.

--Marc Pasquin 11:02, 3 June 2006 (PDT)

Cape Green and Saint Thomas and Prince &c. Elemtilas put on his website that they were commonwealth, and now I can't find [bethisad.com/commonwealth.htm] but it's on Commonwealth of Nations. --Quentin 23:43, 3 June 2006 (PDT)
I am not disputing it was written that way somewhere, I am saying we should discuss it as a group as some of the entry were included without any apparent reasons. Again, I am not saying you did something wrong, I am not saying you made a mistake and I am not accusing you of overstepping your bound. --Marc Pasquin 06:47, 4 June 2006 (PDT)
I understand what you mean. What Quentin has done while helping out is highlight some details that have never really been worked out in detail. He's actually giving us a chance to nail down some of these following some genuine discussion. Zahir 07:02, 4 June 2006 (PDT)
Thats all well and good, but there are some things about the CoN membership that I still don't get (like Cape Verde and Sao Tome and Principe). --Sikulu 06:07, 5 June 2006 (PDT)

Caucus Federation

I was looking through some old files and found several people talking about a possible "Caucus Federation" in the Caucuses. The only problem I see at the moment would be the minor land scuffle between Armenia and Azerbaijan. Seth 6:53, June 6 2006 (PST)

The North Caucasian Federation is a member of Russia. --Quentin 00:26, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
I think he's refering to an equivalent of *here's* Transcaucasian Federation. --Sikulu 08:33, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
I mean a federation between Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Georgia. Seeing that they are rather small (population c. 4 million), I believe a possible federation would grow from their unique location in the Caucases. The only problem would probably be that Armenia and Azerbaijan *there* had a brief war over a territory of Azerbaijan's that ended with a cease-fire and not an actual peace treaty. Seth 21:03, 6 June 2006 (PST)
I would say no, as I'm sure that there's been just as much or more tension there. I'm sure that Armenia and Azerbaijan have done their fair share of trouble-making with the Georgians. BoArthur 06:04, 7 June 2006 (PDT)


Seeing as nothing has been written about tennis, I have an idea... In most of Europe, tennis is not heard. Real Tennis comes from Russia. Real Tennis is popular in former SNORist countries.In Oregon it developed into Lawn Tennis and Lawn tennis is popular in formerly Russian areas, e.g. Oregon, Alaska, Nittatò, Meidji-dò, Chukotka, &c. It also could well be popular in Japan and Montrei. Is this OK? --Quentin 11:55, 6 June 2006 (PDT)

Something makes me think something has been done with tennis...Zahir, Jan, Nik? BoArthur 13:09, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
I tried searching the mailing list for Tennis but I keep getting "Jeni Tennison" --Quentin 00:09, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
If people don't mind, I'll make a proposal. --Quentin 00:59, 10 June 2006 (PDT)


While it is true that the Jewish people around the world have their own languages - Judajca in Judea, Ladino in Mueva Sefarad and elsewhere, Yiddish in plenty of other places - no one de facto speaks a descendant of the classical Biblical Hebrew language. No one, that is, but Moshe Wormser and his colleagues at the ILB - Institut Lingistic Bovlai (Bovlai Institute of Linguistics), who are working on a project to "modernise" Hebrew, as if it were to become a language for everyday use. They are endeavouring to form new words for new concepts from old roots - such as hadshon "newspaper" from hadash "new".

The question is: will this remain an exercise in philological fiction (one might say glossopoeia), or will real-world speakers present themselves? One can well imagine the orthodox postulating: "No one shall speak Hebrew to a dog!".

The method is somewhat reminiscent of what Elvish scholars do when they create neologisms in order to be able to speak Quenya and Sindarin - the Eldarin languages created by J.R.R. Tolkien.

A Provisional Dictionary of Neo-Hebrew is being announced by the ILB for late 2006.

Kyrmse 14:44, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
reporting from Bovlai
Cool! Seth 23:56, 6 June 2006 (PST)
Interesting. I can't "well imagine the orthodox postulating" that objection, though. Why is this happening in Xliponia, as opposed to Judea, Mueva Sefarad, or Himyar, TE? Steg, a.k.a. Boroparkpyro 12:04, 20 June 2006 (PDT)
Why is this happening in XL? Must be the restless researchers at ILB. And the orthodox did protest when Eliezer Ben-Yehuda (in OTL) "revived" Hebrew, creating Modern Hebrew, and began talking Ivrit to his dog in what then was not yet Israel! Kyrmse 14:43, 20 June 2006 (PDT)
Some orthodox did, i'm sure, i remember hearing about opinions like that; but i don't think you can claim that "the orthodox" as a whole protested. I'm near-fluent in Modern Hebrew today because of the Orthodox Jewish school i went to which has been pushing Modern Hebrew as a language of communication for over 70 years. According to some quick internet research, Ben-Yehuda's religious/tradiitonal neighbros were more offended by his flouting of religious law than by Hebrew. Steg, a.k.a. 08:50, 22 June 2006 (PDT)


Regarding this map ( http://www.geocities.com/wenedyk/ib/rtc_1948.png ), there is a small country called Karpatia, and yet there is no write up for it. Seth 00:00, 7 June 2006

There is a write-up for Carpatia, but that is nowhere near where this Karpatia is. Seth 00:04, 7 June 2006
Jan? Benct Philip Jonsson?BoArthur 06:06, 7 June 2006 (PDT)

Wiki Editor?

Does there exist a "Wiki editor" that would allow me to edit and preview Wiki pages offline, so that I may set them up while away from a web-connected computer? I'm thinking of an analogue to Microsoft FrontPage. Replies welcome! Kyrmse 14:13, 9 June 2006 (PDT)

Not that I know of Ronald, but what I did for Montignac and Alcohol of Louisianne is used the Microsoft Text editor and coded the information in as if I were writing a wiki page with the brackets and so forth, and then uploaded it to the Wiki. I think the only other option would be to set up the wiki software on your computer. I found the way I did it for Montignac etc to be very straightforward. I could write it, connect, paste it in a page and preview it and then save it if I liked it. BoArthur 08:21, 14 June 2006 (PDT)


Also, what if Oregon used Florencetime? That would be interesting... --Quentin 00:59, 10 June 2006 (PDT)

Why would they use Florencetime ? I'm not saying its impossible but there is a pretty good reason why *here* it never took off: its not as intuitive to western thought as decimal is (most western countries already using base ten arithmetics).
IB's international standards of old measures goes with its conservative nature and the few countries that use decimal seem to have done so out of revolutionary thinking, francophily or cultural differences (i.e. non-european in origin). About the only way I could see a country adopt an hexadecimal system would be for some nefarious reasons such as isolation which does not gel with what is known of Oregon. --Marc Pasquin 09:39, 10 June 2006 (PDT)
Louisianne use metric, India has its own system and Japan still use pre-SI units. I don't think it would use the metric "Metre", "litre" type names. A lot of Francophily; such as my above tennis proposal - has got mixed up between New Francy and Loisianne. Florencetime is more logical than IB SI. Also, Oregon - aside of Al-Basra and Hayti - is about as isolationist as Eshraval goes. --Quentin 08:15, 11 June 2006 (PDT)
What is Florencetime? Why would they use it, at all? There should be a real reason for them to use it, and while Oregon and Al-Basra are quiet nations, they aren't isolationist in the least! Is Canada isolationist here because they don't show up in the news? I think you misunderstand Oregon and ecotopism. The only reason I could think of them being quiet is mostly that the caretaker is not as active as I am. Ytterbion's Law dictates that things are like *here*, more or less. The only reason LA is on the Republican Calendar is because it's remotely a possibility. Why would Florencetime have caught on to for them? BoArthur 12:41, 11 June 2006 (PDT)
Florencetime would be an incredibly illogical thing for Oregon to take up, especially because all countries around it would be using standard time, and it would make it a lot more difficult for them and their people to sync up. How is having to convert between Florencetime and Standard Time useful for Oregonians when they travel to other countries, and other people travelling into Oregon logical and useful for them? Oregon is NOT isolationist, just because it is ecotopic. Oregon has had a hand in helping set up Ecotopic nations, and that doesn't mesh with an isolationist nature. Just because something seems logical doesn't mean it makes sense within the framework of what IB is. Doobieous 13:15, 11 June 2006 (PDT)
Your exemple are exactly what I mentioned: Louisianna is an inheritor of the french revolution and both India & Japan are non-western countries. Oregon on the other hand has none of those excuses. As to Florencetime being more logical, you have to ask yourself: if logic was the reason Oregon switched system, why no go with decimal which is already used by a few countries *there* including one of it's North-american neighbour (Louisianna) ?
Incidently, I don't get this comment: "A lot of Francophily; such as my above tennis proposal - has got mixed up between New Francy and Loisianne." --Marc Pasquin 06:56, 12 June 2006 (PDT)
Quentin, this is one thing that makes dealing with you rather frustrating...you propose an idea, and rather than respond to our questions and critiques, you clam up and it gets swept under the carpet. What are your responses to our questions/comments? Why did you think that Oregon would consider Florencetime? BoArthur

Wankers on Wheels

In light of our recent and persistent vandal/spammer, might it be a good idea to disable the creation of new accounts for a while? At least until he moves on elsewhere? Deiniol 07:01, 16 June 2006 (PDT)

I'm not sure if that's possible. If there is anybody who might be able to do such a thing, it's Muke!
Doesn't really matter, anyway. It's a hell of a lot more work for the vandal to do his thing than for an admin to revert it. —IJzeren Jan Uszkiełtu? 08:19, 16 June 2006 (PDT)
It just feel like having him relog under a different name to get his jolly off just allow him to score another win. --Marc Pasquin 08:49, 16 June 2006 (PDT)
I don't think this is needed. The ammount of vandalising is relatively limited. And now when anonymous contributors are no longer permitted to edit someone who would want to join and would not be permitted to register an account would not be able to edit at all and maybe think that it is impossible to join IB or such. Abdul-aziz 17:26, 16 June 2006 (PDT)

Arvorec rides again!

As I mentioned before, it might be of interest to certain persons to know that a fairly complete Grammar of Arvorec is now available for your viewing pleasure. It's a completely new revision of the language, with changes to the verbal system primarily, but also tinkering with the sound-changes has given a wholly new phonology and different lexicon*. Also, it's the first time Arvorec syntax has been presented online.

It's been revised now due to a) my increased confidence in my skills as a conlanger and b) better sources on Proto-Celtic verbs, as the verbal system has been annoying me for some time. All in all, this revision is more coherent and internally consistent and likely to be the definitive revision.

The grammar runs to ten pages. The index is a good place to start, of course, but some might find the page on dialects interesting. Lexicophiles might want to peruse lexicon first.

Happy reading and let me know what you think! Deiniol 17:36, 17 June 2006 (PDT)

*aside from those words which have been borrowed into Kerno and Brithenig- I've kept those as close as possible to the previous forms so as to avoid buggering up other people's dictionaries.

Conculture List? and the Kemrese election.

I was going to write up the initial election result for Kemr and release it on Conculture this afternoon. When I check the website it says 'temporarily unavailable'. Does anyone know what is happening?

Results show that both the Liberals and Labour picked up seats and dominate half the Senate (78 seats out of a total of 140 seats in the non-autonomous provinces). The Conservatives have lost seats, about a quarter and have conceded to Boibont. Effectively there is one big Centrist party with two secondary parties on its left and right. The Liberals are due for a scandal and the Conservatives for a leadership scrap.

The minor parties all lost seats. The Ecotopics and the Communists on the far left are fighting between themselves. There are five contested seats after election night which will be recounted during the week. They are not expected to seriously influence the election. - AndrewSmith 19:07, 17 June 2006 (PDT)


Please don't subst templates without good reason. Thankyou. IB22. --Quentin 08:08, 21 June 2006 (PDT)

I don't understand! I may as well get blocked!IB22:-(

It's simple. We're not wikipedia. The idea isn't to be bold but to be polite- tell us who you are and why you're doing it first. Deiniol 04:22, 22 June 2006 (PDT)

New Welcome Template

Here for your viewing pleasure is a template created by Jan I


We very much appreciate it that you are interested in the Ill Bethisad project. If you have any questions or comments about an article, you are welcome to place them on the corresponding talk page. For questions and comments of a more general character, please use Lla Dafern (our equivalent of Wikipedia's Village Pump). In both cases, do not forget to sign your message with ~~~~. We will do our best to answer you as faithfully as we can.

If you are interested in becoming a member of the project, please make sure that you are familiar with the world of Ill Bethisad as well as its design principles first. You can read more about that in More about IB and How It All Works. Once you have a clear idea of what we are doing here, please introduce yourself to us, either on the Conculture list or in Lla Dafern, and tell us what your ideas are. We will then review your proposal and see if it fits in, or what can be done to make it fit in.

We kindly ask you not to edit our articles until then. This wiki may look suspiciously much like Wikipedia, but the truth is that editing is pretty much restricted to members of the project. Feel free, however, to use the talk pages of articles or of individual group members, because that is what they are there for.

If you are merely passing by, then we hope our work will give you a lot of fun reading.

Best regards,
the IB Group

Please post your comments on it here or on its talk page. I think this will be highly useful as the group progresses. Cheers! BoArthur 12:35, 22 June 2006 (PDT)

The June Revolt

For all discussion pertaining to this subject, see The June Revolt.

Costumes & Uniform website

With the Webring idea seeming on its way to adoption, I've decided to start a website to display the Costumes & Uniforms of Ill Bethidad. I'll only used those that have actualy been adopted to limit bandwidth and leave the proposals here until their status change.

With that in mind, could people have a look at the uniform page to accept or reject those proposals that relate to them. If other have decided on something for their own part of the world, you can send it to me directly if you want. --Marc Pasquin 13:40, 23 June 2006 (PDT)

I much like the idea Marc...and you have my full agreement on the LA uniforms. BoArthur 13:44, 23 June 2006 (PDT)
That's wonderful, Marc! And when that is done, I'd strongly consider removing these things (except the proposals, of course) from the wiki! That will also save us a lot of bandwidth. —IJzeren Jan Uszkiełtu? 13:45, 23 June 2006 (PDT)
YEs, an excellent idea! Zahir 17:52, 23 June 2006 (PDT)
And where is it? User:Lordziba, June 25th, 2006.
No where yet. Wait a few days. --Marc Pasquin 17:56, 25 June 2006 (PDT)
And here it is:
The "C.R.I. Online Database: Visual Identity Section" is now online although as yet there are only 2 entries. I will slowly include others as I redraw (but not redesign) the images.
The fact I'm doing it is in no way a reflection of the talents of the original illustrators. Rather, its done so that the database has a common look (size and style) to its various pages. If any comments were made on the talk page in regard to changes, I'll make them at the same time so email me if you see any mistakes. --Marc Pasquin 20:39, 29 June 2006 (PDT)
I likes what I see! Sorry to be an ignoramus, but what is C.R.I. please? Zahir 21:11, 29 June 2006 (PDT)
"Centre de Renseignements de l'Intendance", New Francy's Inteligence agency. I chose that name because the acronym is french for "scream" which being a spy agency makes for all sorts of interesting association. --Marc Pasquin 11:34, 30 June 2006 (PDT)
Well thought, Marc. I like the gamr of words. --Pedromoderno 21:30, 30 June 2006 (PDT)


I'm writing articles on the international calling codes used on IB and the telephone number allocation system used in the NAL. --Quentin 13:49, 23 June 2006 (PDT)

Sounds like some interesting work. I look forward to the grand proposal. BoArthur 13:58, 23 June 2006 (PDT)
The calling codes is up for proposal now, please review and edit what you think should be changed.
I wonder how it happened that the codes 024 and 017 were skipped and not allocated prior to 1989? Or were they allocated previously but reallocated then? Abdul-aziz 03:52, 24 June 2006 (PDT)

No, I think that like in RW France where departments have overused numbers and in the US with statehood numbers (although not as much so) in the NAL there is a lot of attachment to accession to the NAL numbers. Those are the numbers I've used, and some provinces, Missisippi (24) and East Florida (17) left the union. The floridas are, as usual, the exception, because by the time they were back in the union Oftel had re-assigned their codes to other people.

By the way, lo and behold, I give you;

What do others think? --Quentin 04:07, 24 June 2006 (PDT)

Oh, and the currency prices are based on my calculation that £1 FK is apx. £20 UK. --Quentin 04:41, 24 June 2006 (PDT)

No NAL website

We have no NAL website, most info related to the NAL is stored here. --Quentin 04:16, 24 June 2006 (PDT)

This is the case with many countries actually, for example Skuodia, Free Lithuania, Ethiopia, until recently Romania and so on. This is what the discussion above is about, some people prefer that all of IB users would have pages for the countries they look after. Abdul-aziz 04:24, 24 June 2006 (PDT)
Yes. My point is, if we want to be less reliant on the wiki the NAL would be a good subject for a website, as would Free Lithuania. This is in total accordance with the discussion above. Doesn't JVS manage Skuodia? --Quentin
AFAIK, Pavel Iosad is Skuodia's master, he seems to be recently quite busy on Uni. Jan I., AFAIK, is the vice-master. Jan II. 22:59, 26 June 2006 (PDT)
Not really. Skuodia is currently dormant along with its master. Sure, as overseer of Eastern Europe it falls to me to make sure that no weird things will happen to it in the meantime! —IJzeren Jan Uszkiełtu? 00:46, 27 June 2006 (PDT)
Yup, that's right -- I was just about to post some new stuff on Skuodia, Belarus ánd finally Manaw when I found out all this pow-wow going on :)! I'm not sure whether I have a lot to contribute, since I have admittedly been dormant, but I'm at least now I'm lurking! Pavel Iosad
That's great. Always good to have you back. Stay tuned: the moratorium won't last forever! —IJzeren Jan Uszkiełtu? 03:58, 27 June 2006 (PDT)
Yeah. All the stuff is here rght on my desktop waiting to be posted. In the meantime I've furnished myself a user page, which is kosher I hope, since it isn't directly IB-related. Pavel Iosad 09:37, 27 June 2006 (PDT)

Speaking about the NAL: it has traditionally been a sandbox for several IB members. Most of what it is is the work of John, Padraic and David, but others have occasionally used it as a wildcard as well. That was (and is) fun, but with the current amount of detail the NAL is a risk of becoming a Kindergarten. Therefore, I'm happy to announce that from now on the NAL will have a primary caretaker: David Zahir. That shouldn't stop anybody from contributing to it, or using it otherwise, but make sure that you coordinate your efforts with David first.

It will be up to him to decide whether he will make a NAL website. My opinion, for what it is worth, is that it would be worth the effort.

This will of course not affect the individual provinces: Mueva Sefarad remains Steg's domain, Florida Nik's, Ter Mair Padraic's, New Iceland Ferko's, etc. —IJzeren Jan Uszkiełtu? 00:46, 27 June 2006 (PDT)

Yes, I will be putting together a website about the NAL. Zahir 07:53, 27 June 2006 (PDT)
And presumably New Sweden is the domain of Borenaisia. --Quentin 00:37, 28 June 2006 (PDT)

Proposal - William McKinley

Think "atheist Lord Shaftesbury". --Quentin 06:52, 24 June 2006 (PDT)

Yahoo trouble.

My IP adress seems to be blocked from yahoo groups but I don't know why, I haven't done anything wrong - is anyone else having trouble?

This is a new web filtering system. Please contact the CYPS Helpdesk 
if you don't think this page should be blocked

Access Denied - FREEHST
The requested document will not be shown.

URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/conculture/

Detected IP address:


Banned Category: FREEHST

--Quentin 00:17, 29 June 2006 (PDT)

I haven't the faintest idea! I checked your settings (I'm owner of the group), but couldn't find anything unusual. Are you sure? There are two messages sent by you an hour or two ago, and they got through fine. Are you working from a different PC or something, from an IP that has been blocked?
My advise: just try again and again. If that doesn't work either, you can send it to me privately, and I'll forward it to the group. —IJzeren Jan Uszkiełtu? 01:42, 29 June 2006 (PDT)
OK, seems to be working again. Sorry for the hassle. --Quentin 08:11, 29 June 2006 (PDT)

Marc's IB page

I've put a page in my Miscellaneum where are all the links to my IB pages:


As soon as I can, I link it to the ring. --Marc Pasquin 20:39, 29 June 2006 (PDT)

Very nice indeed. Looking forward to updates. --Sikulu 06:16, 30 June 2006 (PDT)
Probably sometime next week.--Marc Pasquin 11:34, 30 June 2006 (PDT)

Barry's IB Page

I posted the link on conculture, but for those who don't really go there, here's the link: http://www.montrei.com, and here's my own page http://www.montrei.com/home.html.

I will update the links as soon as I can. No, it's not a mistake the links go nowhere, I just wanted to get those formatted so that they were ready when I create the pages.

Doobieous 10:04, 30 June 2006 (PDT)

Hmm, the link under "Ill Bethisad" points to a misspelled version of Andrew's page. I think you should substitute it with "montrei.com".
Also, as long as the links aren't working yet, might it be an idea to replace them with stubs (saying "work in progress") or something? —IJzeren Jan Uszkiełtu? 10:58, 30 June 2006 (PDT)
*blush* I entered it wrong. Sorry all...the code should be right, now. BoArthur 11:24, 30 June 2006 (PDT)
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