File talk:Palaiologos arms.jpg

Okay, here is my first design. The idea is that the Counts of Palaiologos were initially enobled by the Dukes of Savoy (which is in Italy) so the arms granted then should feel like a combination of traditional Byzantine and modern Italian heraldry. Also, I wanted the include elements that would be changed as Costas ascends to the throne--the double-headed eagle becoming more overtly Byzantine, the color green finding its way onto the new imperial flag, etc. Let me know what you think! Zahir 04:48, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Can we make border around the crest all gold? Misterxeight 13:58, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Like this? Zahir 14:35, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. Now it's perfect. Misterxeight 14:40, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Ooh. How would green have shown up on the new flag? The only reason he star & crescents were green is because, wikipedia picture of the star & crescent was green. Misterxeight 14:42, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

No, the star & crescent were green because I put them there and decided to make them green. In this case, both these arms and the new flag have just about the same shade of dark green.

Do you want the Emperor to have a new set of arms, given that he now "wears the purple" and also making it look more overtly Greek? Ideally, at least in classic heraldry, his arms would end up quartered with that of his wife's family since that is technically how he came to the throne (which would also be a nice political gesture on his part). The result would look something like what the Royal English Arms used to look like--the three gold (or) leopards on red (gules) quartered with three gold (or) fleur-de-lis on blue (azure). Or do you want to see what I mean?

Clearly, I like designing these things. <g> Zahir 14:50, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

I mean the flag I made myself, the one before the flag you greatly finetuned everyone likes today. So you have to combine your crest with your wife's after you get married? Misterxeight 16:09, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Not necessarily. But this is a case rather like the end of the Wars of the Roses in England *here*, when the Lancaster claiment (who had won the war but had a tiny legal justification for the throne) married the York heiress, founding the Tudor dynasty. In that case, a new royal badge was created, the so-called "Tudor Rose" combining the Red Lancastrian and White Yorkist roses into one.

In the spirit of uniting Greece and re-assuring the world that he is a courteous leader, I'm suggesting Constantine might want to officially make the arms of his dynasty that of Palaiologos quartered with that of his wife's family, the previous royal house, the Theodopolous. This fits in with modern heraldric traditions and practices as well as being a diplomatic thing to do. Zahir 16:38, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok. Now does this mean the whole Theodopolous Family's Arms, or Alexandra's personal ones? Misterxeight 16:56, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

proposed imperial arms

The Theodopolous Arms. The Empress' personal arms (in this case, we're just talking about the arms, i.e. what goes on the shield) would in this case probably be quartered with the Palaiologos arms, but reversed in order. You might want the cross of modern Greece included as well.

Here is more precisely what I had in mind--assuming that Constantine alters his own family arms to something less western and more overtly imperial...

Please comment about these designs here and when we're done I'll delete the ones we don't use. Zahir 19:58, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

I like the top 2, the Hellenic Kingdom symbol wouldn't be too tolerated I don't think. Misterxeight 20:17, 15 August 2008 (UTC)