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When/how the Romanians got Transdniester? Abdul-aziz 12:39, 24 March 2006 (PST)

I'm assuming you mean the section of land between it and the Black Sea that it _doesn't_ have *here*? I'm not quite sure...could be in Ferko's Balkan Histories, or simply be QSS. BoArthur

No, the section on the left coast of Dniester (Tiraspol, Dubasari, etc.). Historically Romania in the real world had the section that you mention, but it was detached from Romania and attached to Ukraine by the Soviet Union after World War 2. That did not happen in IB I assume so that area is still at Romania. However, here come sthe trouble, because the Transdniester was attached to Moldova by the Soviet Union, and if that never happened in IB then Transdniester would probably be in Ukraine. Abdul-aziz 15:25, 24 March 2006 (PST)

Which part are you talking about? I'm not seeing where you're meaning...I know you're talking about everything to one side of the Dniester (Danube, I'm guessing) but which side are you meaning? BoArthur

Dniester is not Danube, but a river that runs close to Ukrainian border. And I am talking about areas to the north and east of that river (between Dniester and the Ukrainian border); Tighina city is on the Dniester. Abdul-aziz 16:14, 24 March 2006 (PST)

Could it have been something the SNORists did? That area's been pretty much synonmymous with Moldova since the Dream Time, so I'm reticent to change it. That is unless Jan or the others want to weigh in, and I'll accept their opinions... BoArthur

For purposes of land changes, I think that unless some specific IB events would contradict it, we can probably assume that what the Soviets did, SNOR would have also (but justified it differently). --Marc Pasquin 16:56, 24 March 2006 (PST)

I would imagine that Transdniester (and Odesa likewise?) might had been attached to Moldova at some point of time before the First Great War, while it was still a part of Russia. It does however seem a little unlikely that the same contructed border that appeared when the Moldovan SSR was established after WWII *here*, would actually come to be *there*. In my own opinion it would have seem more likely that the Dniester (Dnister in Ukrainian, Nistru in Romanian) would have come to be the border between Romania and Ukraine, but I was assuming this border to already be QSS, so I make my maps according to what the map of the Balkan shows. How did Odesa came to be Romanian, btw? It might be that Transdniester came to become part of Moldova in the same way? RoMex 01:19, 25 March 2006 (PST)

For those who don't know about Transdniestria *here*, read its Wikipedia article, but mind for some hints of pro- and anti-Romanian bias.

Ack! Forgot to sign that, and it should have read "pro- and anti-Romanian *and Moldovan* bias" --Kgaughan 19:33, 24 March 2006 (PST)

From Dalmatia:

Oltenia and Moldova are established as independent states in April and May 1918 respectively. After the Ukraine secedes from Russia, Moldova seized the opportunity to take Odesa from the Ukraine.

This is QSS. There must a broader explanation somewhere in the Conculture archives, but I don't really have the time now to look for it. Anyway, we can safely assume that the fate of Transnistria was closely connected to that of Odessa; in fact, I think in IB Odesa is simply part of Transnistria. Unlike *here*, Ukraine managed to survive as an independent state, but the costs were numerous. In fact, Ukraine was so busy fighting the Russians and the Veneds, that they were simply unable to fight the Moldovans. And so, the latter managed to occupy an even greater portion of Ukrainian territory.

GW2 didn't change anything in the borders of Moldova/Ukraine. It would, perhaps, have been more in line with the SNOR's ideology to add the whole region to Slavic Ukraine; but in fact they did quite the opposite: they had the idea of turning Moldova into a half-Slavic state, and so they started russification there. —IJzeren Jan ^Uszkiełtu? 04:54, 25 March 2006 (PST)

I guess this could pretty well explain why the border could have become the way it is. Also, as I see it, if there is anything in IB called "Transdniester" ("Transdnister" / "Transnistru"), this would be a term used for the part of Moldova that is on the "other side" of the Nistru river and hence also including the area around Odesa. RoMex 05:10, 25 March 2006 (PST)

Indeed! —IJzeren Jan ^Uszkiełtu? 07:02, 25 March 2006 (PST)