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Armenia is an independent country substantially bigger than it is *here*, including much of what is *here* northeastern Turkey. Southeastern Turkey is part of Kurdistan. Armenia borders with Georgia in the north, Azerbaijan in the east, Kurdistan in the south, and Turkey in the west.
Cilicia is a culturally Armenian region on the Mediterranean coast in Turkish and Syrian territory. Tension has often existed between Cilician Armenians oriented toward the Levant and Caucasian Armenians who are oriented more toward Persia and Russia.
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We know very little about Armenia yet, but here is at least something:
[Jan] Are the northern borders of Armenia *there* the same as *here*? What about Nagorno-Karabach and Nakhichevan?
[Steg] Not sure... i don't really know anything about the *here* history of the Caucasus, in order to figure out what could have happened *there*. What about if Russia conquered the whole area during its early-1900's fighting with the Ottoman Empire; then, after the fall (asleep? ;-) ) of the SNOR, Armenia, Georgia, and Azerbaijan formed some kind of "Caucasus Federation" (which it looks like they tried to for a little bit *here* in the early 20th century). Or, the Ottomans conquer the whole area, start the Armenian Genocide, but then the Armenians fight back, declaring their independence and sending another set of nationalist ripples through the Empire, helping it break up in the 1920's. Maybe that's when they start a Caucasus Federation, except *there* it works? and they keep out both the Turks and the Russians?
[Steg] Do you think it makes sense for the various Middle Eastern nations to have gained their independence by revolting against the Ottoman Empire when they saw that the OE was getting its butt kicked in the Great War 1? The independence movements probably originated in Lebanon and Judea, since they had only been under Ottoman control for about 75 years.
[Ferko] I see no reason why they shouldn't have taken inspiration from the Hungarians, Bulgarians etc when the Balkan nations rose up against the Turk. In fact, I would venture to say they probably did.
[Rodlox] In 1920, Sultan Ibrahim instituted the Language Reform, which purged Turkey's Osmanlica alphabet of Persian characters. Facing rebellion in the same year, he ordered a forced march of all Kurds and Armenians to the nations of their co-nationals to the east. The Syrian citizens, however, he allowed the option to stay in Turkey.
And here is some ancient history:
[Daniel] Under Emperor Trajan the boundaries of the [Roman] Empire extended beyond the Danube or Ister into Dacia, and later beyond, into Armenia and Mesopotamia. Emperor Hadrian, Trajan's appointed succesor, however, felt that the Empire had been overextended, and thus to preserve the strength of the armies relinquished Trajan's conquests in Armenia and Mesopotamia. [...] The turning point of decline came in 251 as Decius defeated the invading Goths in the Danube. In the terms of peace between Rome and the Goths, Decius offered forth a plan. If the Goths were willing to join with Rome, Rome would accept them as citizens and give them the eastern portions of Asia Minor as well as the entire province (albeit small) of Armenia. Though this seemed to be a surrender of territory, Decius preferred to lose a specific amount of territory to a known enemy than to lose all of the Empire to an irrepressible foe. It was his plan to create a buffer between the Roman Empire and the threatinging Parthians to the east. This peace caused a split among the tribes of the Goths, and the Ostrogoths chose to remain on the shores of the Black Sea, while the Visigoths moved to the waiting territory of Armenia, and eastern Asia Minor. [...] While the Alemanni were accepting of this treatment, Diocletian's attempts at civilizing the barbarians were largely a failure. The Ostrogoths on the Black Sea's shores resisted the civilizing influence, and the Visigoths in Armenia and eastern Asia Minor, having realized they were being used left their settlements vacant and settled with their cousins, taking the vacant province of Dacia as their own, and resisted and routed any Roman advancement into the province.